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[nimblebear]

Areva, obviously quite knowledgeable about Nuclear power plants.

Things have gotten far worse since then, yet you'd never know it due to the clamp down on information flow out of Japan.

This video (IMHO) is a good education for those layman out there, not familiar with the implications of a nuclear disaster such as is occuring now in Japan.

http://enenews.com/g...m-reactor-video

We haven't yet scratched the surface of the wide ranging impact of all the radiation that will no doubt continue to be released for months. We are not just talking about an exclusion zone such as now being articulated of 30 miles, of no human life permitted nor consumption of any food from this area for eons. We are talking folks, literally the northern 3rd, if not half, of Japan becoming nearly inhabitable. Think about the global impact of this, on so many key products produced in Japan. We are talking a major evacuation and humanitarian disaster of incomprehensible dimension. The dynamic occuring right now between Japan and China is one of not just financial aid in the hundreds of billions, but a core mass of civilization having to be entirely uprooted.

Nobody has spoken of this to anywhere near this degree, as even being the remotest of possibilities. Yet with the massive amounts of highly radioactive and poisonous nuclear fuel, the fact that critical systems have all but been entirely broken down (and won't ever bee recovered bc radiation is now just off the charts, to where even suicide missions by hundreds of workers can't address the criticality, the temps that have reached 5000 degrees at 4 of the 6 reactors, and the fact that at 5000 degrees, the molten fuel can melt through zirc-alloy like a hot knife through butter, and the massive risk of further very dangerous releases due to unpredictable (timing wise) hydrogen explosions, its as if an not so small arsenal of nuclear tipped ICBM's has been launched toward the center of Miyagi prefecture, and its only a matter of time as to when they will detonate.

Not I'm not saying all of the above will for sure happen. But the possibilities and ingredients in place to make something this disastrous, are likely already there, mostly unstoppable, and we just don't know it, principally due to both the lack of information coming out of Japan, and the fact that the entire world has never had to deal with a nuclear disaster anywhere near the level of proportion as this one. Totally uncharted territory, and I can only hope that people in Japan within at least 150 miles of Fukishima will consider the remote possibility (although increasing daily) of moving to somewhere else, permanently, if they at all have the means and the will.

[nimblebear]

Confirming what I said about the likely eventual evacuation area:

"In an interview with Alfred Webre, Leuren Moret highlights two prominent nuclear radiation scientists who have now publicly declared that the northern 1/3 part of Japan has become uninhabitable because of radiation due to the Fukushima March 11, 2011 quake/nuke false flag operation, and should be evacuated.

One of the radiation experts, Dr. Chris Busby, is a UK Govt. and European Parliament Low Level Radiation Expert. Dr. Busby developed the first radiation risk model to challenge the US government’s Hiroshima and Nagasaki studies model that underestimated internal exposure risk by a factor of 1000. Dr. Busby has conducted research on Sellafield nuke plant contamination and health risks, depleted uranium exposures in the Middle East, Yugoslavia, C. Asia, and Fukushima disaster.

The other radiation expert, Marion Fulk, is a Manhattan Project scientist who made the US hydrogen bomb work. Mr. Fulk was the radiation rainout/snowout expert for the US nuclear weapons program during atmospheric testing. He has trained and mentored Leuren Moret for 11 years on radiation issues such as the environmental and biological effects of ionizing radiation.

In a March 30, 2011 interview on Russia Today with Dr. Chris Busby. Dr. Busby declared that the Fukushima nuclear plant meltdowns will result in at least 417,000 new cancers."

Vid here:

(caution: ignore the rhetoric about "war", and 9/11, as there is worthy content here from otherwise reputable scientists. Again this is not alarmist but for people to take with a huge grain of salt the fact that our media is not anywhere close to appropriately representing the magnitude of the very real risks and life threatening issues that DO exist here. Nuclear radiation and explosions, and the amount of fuel and damage is nothing to cover up at all, and if anything you are far better off erring on the side of extreme caution, as exposure is nothing that can be taken back or "cured.")

[nimblebear]

Full meltdown in Full Swing.

Need to see this video:

[nimblebear]

I look back and see how prophetic my post is turning out to be. Thus far the reactors have spewed million times more radiation than anyone has dared to admit. They are not anywhere near under control. They are still only slowly increasing the uninhabitable boundaries, meaning many more people are being irradiated beyond their worst nightmares, and don't even likely know it. They still can't send workers in anywhere near close to any of the reactors, for if they do, they will lose their lives. Robots are now reportedly failing, due to the high level of "noise" generated by the immense amount of radioactivity. Cesium levels 620,000 times over limit. Iodine levels in spent fuel pools 1,000,000 times above "limit." Radiation still spewing into the sea. White smoke and steam billowing out of 3 reactors, which means the molten fuel rods, spent or otherwise, are continuing to generate uncontrolled amounts of heat, which means that uncontrolled fission is taking place, which also means criticality, and the greater likelihood as this goes on, that nearly everyone on the planet will be exposed to levels of radiation well above normal. Worse No. 3 Mox spent fuel rods have spread out, contaminating area with plutonium which means noone can ever return to anywhere close to that area again. Its not hitting mainstream media whatsoever, which isn't surprising because the northern half of Japan would panic, and set off a mass hysteria likely to result in many hundreds of thousands of near immediate deaths. We are talking enormous amounts of plutonium at ALL of these 6 reactors. These reactors are out of control folks, and bringing them under control would be akin to mankind attempting to control a volcano that hadn't erupted for centuries, but all of sudden began spewing lava and ash for miles and miles, and kept on doing so for many many months, with little one can do but run away, get away, and hope that some day it all ends, and doesn't result in mass die offs or extinctions. In otherwords, its unthinkable that we would ever attempt to "control" or contain a volcano. People have not ever witnessed this situation now, and those not in the know, don't understand that it truly is uncontrollable at this juncture by mankind, or any efforts that would even be thought of to be attempted. Efforts to prevent this, or contain this, needed to be done before these reactors were ever brought on line, in their design, their location, and in the lack of thought ever considered in putting in nuclear in this country, where earthquakes are inevitable, and at the very core of the country's ability to survive over time.

[stocks]

These reactors are out of control folks, and bringing them under control would be akin to mankind attempting to control a volcano that hadn't erupted for centuries,

Media + Fukushima = Hysteria and Ignorance

The photos of the damaged nuclear plants at Fukushima are as dramatic as the photos of the wreckage at a NASCAR track after a spectacular crash, but the bottom line is generally the same. In nearly every NASCAR crash, the public does not get harmed. In a similar manner, no member of the public was harmed by the damaged nuclear plants at the Fukushima power station.

Even the people at the power plant have a high probability of survival without any injury or long term negative health effects. That fact seems almost miraculous to everyone except the engineers who made the material selections, the system engineers who designed the plants, the people who created the operating procedures, and the people who trained the workers who provided the support and on-scene innovation required to ensure that final result. It is not miraculous, but the result of applying hard-earned knowledge and understanding.


http://atomicinsight...ima-frenzy.html

Chernobyl & Fukushima – neither one caused much of a public health issue

http://atomicinsight...alth-issue.html

[stocks]

These reactors are out of control folks, and bringing them under control would be akin to mankind attempting to control a volcano that hadn't erupted for centuries,

Media + Fukushima = Hysteria and Ignorance

Anti-Nuclear Hysterics, not Melted Reactors to Blame for Fukushima Health Impacts

As was predicted on this blog and elsewhere, the multi-barrier reactor containment design protected the public. Contrary to claims by anti-nuclear groups, the melted cores did NOT burn through the reactor vessels. The containment structures remained virtually intact. The damaged reactor fuel remained inside the reactor vessels and containment systems.

It has become clear that the misinformation and hysterics by anti-nuclear groups and individuals were mostly wrong. Their doomsday prophesizing actually worsened human suffering and environmental impacts by contributing to unwise decisions by political leaders in Japan and elsewhere to shut down nuclear plants.

The earthquake and tsunami were responsible for untold human suffering and devastation. That is where the focus of the world should have been and should continue to be. The problems at the Fukushima nuclear plant accident have contributed needlessly to Japan’s economic burden by prompting the irrational shutdown of nuclear plants across the country.

The health effects to Japan’s population were NOT from radiation, but from stress caused by the unfounded fear of future health effects. The responsibility for this lies squarely on anti-nuclear activists who relished in spouting fatalistic, exaggerated claims, and on an uninformed media who presented those claims as virtual facts while downplaying opposing views from true experts in the field.


http://thisweekinnuclear.com/?p=1473

[stocks]

These reactors are out of control folks, and bringing them under control would be akin to mankind attempting to control a volcano that hadn't erupted for centuries,

Anti-Nuclear Hysterics, not Melted Reactors to Blame for Fukushima Health Impacts

As predicted, the multi-barrier reactor containment design protected the public. Contrary to claims by anti-nuclear groups, the melted cores did NOT burn through the reactor vessels. The containment structures remained virtually intact. The damaged reactor fuel remained inside the reactor vessels and containment systems.

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[MaryAM]

Areva, obviously quite knowledgeable about Nuclear power plants.

Things have gotten far worse since then, yet you'd never know it due to the clamp down on information flow out of Japan.

This video (IMHO) is a good education for those layman out there, not familiar with the implications of a nuclear disaster such as is occuring now in Japan.

http://enenews.com/g...m-reactor-video

We haven't yet scratched the surface of the wide ranging impact of all the radiation that will no doubt continue to be released for months. We are not just talking about an exclusion zone such as now being articulated of 30 miles, of no human life permitted nor consumption of any food from this area for eons. We are talking folks, literally the northern 3rd, if not half, of Japan becoming nearly inhabitable. Think about the global impact of this, on so many key products produced in Japan. We are talking a major evacuation and humanitarian disaster of incomprehensible dimension. The dynamic occuring right now between Japan and China is one of not just financial aid in the hundreds of billions, but a core mass of civilization having to be entirely uprooted.

Nobody has spoken of this to anywhere near this degree, as even being the remotest of possibilities. Yet with the massive amounts of highly radioactive and poisonous nuclear fuel, the fact that critical systems have all but been entirely broken down (and won't ever bee recovered bc radiation is now just off the charts, to where even suicide missions by hundreds of workers can't address the criticality, the temps that have reached 5000 degrees at 4 of the 6 reactors, and the fact that at 5000 degrees, the molten fuel can melt through zirc-alloy like a hot knife through butter, and the massive risk of further very dangerous releases due to unpredictable (timing wise) hydrogen explosions, its as if an not so small arsenal of nuclear tipped ICBM's has been launched toward the center of Miyagi prefecture, and its only a matter of time as to when they will detonate.

Not I'm not saying all of the above will for sure happen. But the possibilities and ingredients in place to make something this disastrous, are likely already there, mostly unstoppable, and we just don't know it, principally due to both the lack of information coming out of Japan, and the fact that the entire world has never had to deal with a nuclear disaster anywhere near the level of proportion as this one. Totally uncharted territory, and I can only hope that people in Japan within at least 150 miles of Fukishima will consider the remote possibility (although increasing daily) of moving to somewhere else, permanently, if they at all have the means and the will.

Nimble - I have been posting on this problem since it happened. There unfortunately is no solution. Nuclear releases don't respect borders and the on-going daily releases into the Ocean with no end in sight is frightening. They are only just admitting that levels of air born fall out that reached the West Coast far exceed early reports. Why our government did not at least tell people to shelter inside for a month or two after the last explosion (which was nuclear not hydrogen) is beyond me. They can't even locate the fuel in three reactor locations - much less control it. No one can approach the buildings - so how they can report that there is no damage after even a minor earthquake is amazing. We are all going to witness this situation unfold over the next few years though it will continue for thousands of years. The news blackout will end when the illnesses and death can no longer be ignored. enenews.com is a good source of information that is emerging out of Japan. For anyone to argue that this situation is not world changing is irresponsible.

[MaryAM]

more news

http://enenews.com/s...nt-very-interes

Areva, obviously quite knowledgeable about Nuclear power plants.

Things have gotten far worse since then, yet you'd never know it due to the clamp down on information flow out of Japan.

This video (IMHO) is a good education for those layman out there, not familiar with the implications of a nuclear disaster such as is occuring now in Japan.

http://enenews.com/g...m-reactor-video

We haven't yet scratched the surface of the wide ranging impact of all the radiation that will no doubt continue to be released for months. We are not just talking about an exclusion zone such as now being articulated of 30 miles, of no human life permitted nor consumption of any food from this area for eons. We are talking folks, literally the northern 3rd, if not half, of Japan becoming nearly inhabitable. Think about the global impact of this, on so many key products produced in Japan. We are talking a major evacuation and humanitarian disaster of incomprehensible dimension. The dynamic occuring right now between Japan and China is one of not just financial aid in the hundreds of billions, but a core mass of civilization having to be entirely uprooted.

Nobody has spoken of this to anywhere near this degree, as even being the remotest of possibilities. Yet with the massive amounts of highly radioactive and poisonous nuclear fuel, the fact that critical systems have all but been entirely broken down (and won't ever bee recovered bc radiation is now just off the charts, to where even suicide missions by hundreds of workers can't address the criticality, the temps that have reached 5000 degrees at 4 of the 6 reactors, and the fact that at 5000 degrees, the molten fuel can melt through zirc-alloy like a hot knife through butter, and the massive risk of further very dangerous releases due to unpredictable (timing wise) hydrogen explosions, its as if an not so small arsenal of nuclear tipped ICBM's has been launched toward the center of Miyagi prefecture, and its only a matter of time as to when they will detonate.

Not I'm not saying all of the above will for sure happen. But the possibilities and ingredients in place to make something this disastrous, are likely already there, mostly unstoppable, and we just don't know it, principally due to both the lack of information coming out of Japan, and the fact that the entire world has never had to deal with a nuclear disaster anywhere near the level of proportion as this one. Totally uncharted territory, and I can only hope that people in Japan within at least 150 miles of Fukishima will consider the remote possibility (although increasing daily) of moving to somewhere else, permanently, if they at all have the means and the will.

Nimble - I have been posting on this problem since it happened. There unfortunately is no solution. Nuclear releases don't respect borders and the on-going daily releases into the Ocean with no end in sight is frightening. They are only just admitting that levels of air born fall out that reached the West Coast far exceed early reports. Why our government did not at least tell people to shelter inside for a month or two after the last explosion (which was nuclear not hydrogen) is beyond me. They can't even locate the fuel in three reactor locations - much less control it. No one can approach the buildings - so how they can report that there is no damage after even a minor earthquake is amazing. We are all going to witness this situation unfold over the next few years though it will continue for thousands of years. The news blackout will end when the illnesses and death can no longer be ignored. enenews.com is a good source of information that is emerging out of Japan. For anyone to argue that this situation is not world changing is irresponsible.

[MaryAM]

Stars & Stripes, Oct. 30, 2014: A US federal judge has ruled that a class-action lawsuit filed by about 200 Navy sailors and Marines can proceed against [TEPCO, GE, EBASCO, Toshiba & Hitachi]…. “It is not over, but we have won the major battle,” lawyer Charles Bonner wrote… “THANK GOD!!!!!” responded Lindsay Cooper, the first USS Ronald Reagan sailor to come forward… [The] ruling was a bit of a surprise… [Sailors] alleged that TEPCO’s misinformation coaxed US forces closer… More ailing servicemembers came forward citing exposure-related ailments such as unexplained cancers, excessive bleeding and thyroid issues… [Attorneys] said additional plaintiffs are continuing to come forward with “serious ailments from radiation” Bloomberg, Oct. 30, 2014: Judge Janis L. Sammartino… denied the request by [Tepco] to dismiss… Tepco had argued the U.S. military had contributed to the plaintiffs’ harm… Charles Bonner & Cabral Bonner & Paul Garner, Esq. Press Release (via Nuclear Hotseat), Oct. 29, 2014: U.S. Navy Sailors have won a crucial battle… A Federal judge has ruled that the sailors’ class action law suit may go forward… 200 young sailors [say] TEPCO deliberately lied to the public and the U.S. Navy about the radiation levels… Up to 70,000 U.S. citizens were potentially affected by the radiation and will be able to join the class action suit… The lawsuit includes claims for illnesses such as Leukemia, ulcers, gall bladder removals, brain cancer, brain tumors, testicular cancer, dysfunctional uterine bleeding, thyroid illnesses, stomach ailments and a host of other complaints unusual in such young adults… One Sailor, age 22… states, “Upon my return from Operation Tomodachi, I began losing my eyesight.I lost all vision in my left eye and most vision in my right eye. I am unable to read street signs and am no longer able to drive… I know of no family members who have had leukemia.”… The sailors would like the general public to contact their members of Congress, locally elected officials, and President Obama and implore them to tell the Government of Japan to (1) apply the principles of “Operation Tomodachi” to the Plaintiff-victims and help these U.S. Sailors; and (2) tell TEPCO to stop shirking responsibility…