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[voltaire]

I can't find an earlier thread where I stated that these crimes will increase in scale and frequency.

They say insanity is doing the same thing and expecting different results.

Well the US is doing nothing and expecting different results.

In Australia, we had a mass killing maybe 20 years ago and the Prime Minister changed the gun laws.

I was against them because I was a farmer and felt having to register my weapons was unnecessary.

I was also against them because we had been the victim of a home invasion with a gun.

After moving I got rid of my weapons and am glad I did and now recognise the policy changes were significant.

In the US, nothing will change yet. In a few days people will forget, again.

But the day will come when the tipping point is reached when enough will say "enough is enough".

It won't be the removal of all weapons, but it may be assault weapons and many saying I will risk my own life rather than propogate this weapons culture.

[*JB*]

I can't find an earlier thread where I stated that these crimes will increase in scale and frequency.

They say insanity is doing the same thing and expecting different results.

Well the US is doing nothing and expecting different results.

In Australia, we had a mass killing maybe 20 years ago and the Prime Minister changed the gun laws.

I was against them because I was a farmer and felt having to register my weapons was unnecessary.

I was also against them because we had been the victim of a home invasion with a gun.

After moving I got rid of my weapons and am glad I did and now recognise the policy changes were significant.

In the US, nothing will change yet. In a few days people will forget, again.

But the day will come when the tipping point is reached when enough will say "enough is enough".

It won't be the removal of all weapons, but it may be assault weapons and many saying I will risk my own life rather than propogate this weapons culture.

Actually, if the Australian Bureau of Criminology can be believed, Americans would be insane to concern themselves with what non-Americans think about American gun rights.

""In 2002 — five years after enacting its gun ban — the Australian Bureau of Criminology acknowledged there is no correlation between gun control and the use of firearms in violent crime. In fact, the percent of murders committed with a firearm was the highest it had ever been in 2006 (16.3 percent), says the D.C. Examiner.

Even Australia’s Bureau of Crime Statistics and Research acknowledges that the gun ban had no significant impact on the amount of gun-involved crime:

In 2006, assault rose 49.2 percent and robbery 6.2 percent.
Sexual assault — Australia’s equivalent term for rape — increased 29.9 percent.
Overall, Australia’s violent crime rate rose 42.2 percent.

Moreover, Australia and the United States — where no gun-ban exists — both experienced similar decreases in murder rates:

Between 1995 and 2007, Australia saw a 31.9 percent decrease; without a gun ban, America’s rate dropped 31.7 percent.
During the same time period, all other violent crime indices increased in Australia: assault rose 49.2 percent and robbery 6.2 percent.
Sexual assault — Australia’s equivalent term for rape — increased 29.9 percent.
Overall, Australia’s violent crime rate rose 42.2 percent.
At the same time, U.S. violent crime decreased 31.8 percent: rape dropped 19.2 percent; robbery decreased 33.2 percent; aggravated assault dropped 32.2 percent.
Australian women are now raped over three times as often as American women.

So, if the USA follows Australia’s lead in banning guns, it should expect a 42 percent increase in violent crime, a higher percentage of murders committed with a gun, and three times more rape. One wonders if Freddy even bothered to look up the relative crime statistics.

The International Crime Victims Survey, conducted by Leiden University in Holland, found that England and Wales ranked second overall in violent crime among industrialized nations. Twenty-six percent of English citizens — roughly one-quarter of the population — have been victimized by violent crime. Australia led the list with more than 30 percent of its population victimized. The United States didn’t even make the “top 10″ list of industrialized nations whose citizens were victimized by crime.""

[voltaire]

Oh dear A case of how to make statistics work for you. How about:- Australia: 22 Million People, Gun Control, 19 Gun Deaths — Arizona: No Gun Control, 6.5 Million People, 323 Gun Deaths That 57:1 in Arizona alone compared to Australia.

[voltaire]

Rape and robbery can be dismissed before we start. Most rapes anywhere are not reported. Robbery is now mostly a ring in offence. A waste of time.

[voltaire]

Why is it that the US has 10 times per capita at least more prisoners in jail than other Western Democracies. In some cases it is 100 times. Something is seriously wrong with both the justice system and crime control. When 1 in 150 people in the US is incarcerated, something is very wrong.

[SemiBizz]

Reports of Second Gunman "scrubbed" from Lamestream Media News...

[stocks]

Another day, another opportunity for socialists to exploit a massacre for political purposes.

Rahm Emmanuel: "A crisis is a terrible thing to waste."

Thomas Sowell has a great piece at Capitalism Magazine which explains to a tee the political mind - a crisis is an opportunity for a power grab.


A crisis is a terrible thing to waste.

This is the kind of cynical revelation that sometimes slips out, despite all the political pieties and spin. Crises have long been seen as great opportunities to expand the federal government's power while the people are too scared to object and before any opposition can get organized.
That is why there is such haste to do things that will take effect slowly.


http://kazooobjectiv...waste-rahm.html

Edited by stocks, 15 December 2012 - 09:49 AM.

[Dex]

I can't find an earlier thread where I stated that these crimes will increase in scale and frequency.

Your racism is showing here. Proportionally, more black children are murdered then white. Yet, no post about it.

http://www.bvblacksp...-in-california/

Don't forget black males.

http://www.suntimes....r-stadiums.html

Where is the outrage for this genocide.

Edited by Dex, 15 December 2012 - 02:39 PM.

[Dex]

I can't find an earlier thread where I stated that these crimes will increase in scale and frequency.

Your remarks are insensitive on many levels.

Adam Lanza suffered from a mental illness yet no post about the terrible treatment of mental illness in the USA.

[stocks]

I can't find an earlier thread where I stated that these crimes will increase in scale and frequency.

Gun-free zones make that inevitable

In Israel teachers are armed. Why not in America? Both countries face similar evils, as the current example should make clear

Had one person been carrying a firearm in either Colorado or Connecticut, there is a good chance lives would have been saved.

No law can stop a criminal hell-bent on killing. When a person determined to do harm cannot get a gun legally, he will obtain it illegally. Even if the 100 million guns in America were rounded up and thrown into the ocean, there will still be murders.

In Oklahoma City, Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols used simple fertilizer to kill 168 people, including 19 children under the age of six in 1995. In gun-free Japan in 2008, a former school janitor stabbed eight children to death in their elementary school.

In 1927, Bath Township, Mich. was home to the worst school killing in history. The school's treasurer used bombs made with dynamite and pyrotol to kill 38 elementary school children. We can’t outlaw fertilizer or explosives or knives. Even if we did, the bad guys would just find another way to kill.

Murder is already illegal. So is assaulting a child. We have enough laws. What we lack today is the power to overcome evil. And in this broken world, where innocent five-year-olds are gunned down in their classroom, the only thing we can do is pray.




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