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Global Warming is happening too!
It's so hot that Florida hurricanes had to move under water for 9 years.
I super serial!
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Suddenly Ski Season in New England...

Maine snowiest start to November on record...

-30° Wyoming...

Record Cold In Colorado...

Storm to dump up to 18" On Minneapolis...

We've been over the hypocrisy of posting weather reports and pictures of Al Gore before.

[salsabob]

Some insightful experimentation.

We all have read the glee of climate deniers reporting increases in Antarctic sea ice -

http://wattsupwithth...ometer-barrier/

- what they always never mention is that by EVERY measure the Southern Seas are shown to be significantly warming and that the source of the increasing ice is a result of relatively more warm/moist air flowing to the Antarctic that every before -

http://www.skeptical...ntermediate.htm

Let’s run an experiment with two groups: (1) some 10 year olds in a 5th grade science class and (2) some typical ‘adult’ climate deniers.

Both groups are told to ask permission to use a deep freezer at home or that of a neighbor – one of those freezers that can hold a lot of venison after a successful hunt or a lot of meat from a successful trip to Costco. They're instructed to hold the door open with a towel for a couple of days and observe. After a day or two, the freezer should form a significant amount of ice.

Now the question to the two groups is – did the freezer get colder? The 10 year olds conclude that it did not; the ‘adult’ climate deniers hold up posters of Al Gore and talk about weather reports somewhere of a cold spell.

Next, the two groups are asked if the freezer didn't actually get colder, then why did the ice form with the door open than when it was closed. The 5th graders conclude the freezer was exposed to more humid warm air when open than when closed; they begin to draw some analogies to what is happening in the Antarctic.

On the other hand, the ‘adult’ climate deniers have a mixed reaction: some continue to hold Al Gore photos and talk about weather reports; one guy named Inhofe tells us he’s not a scientist and has no interest in actual science and runs off to chair the Science Committee of the US Senate; and still others attempt to change the topic to Obamacare where they too believe they know all the answers.

One denier, however, stands up and says he tried the experiment on his refrigerator's freezer and got no ice build up at all. The science teacher points out that he probable has a modern refrigerator that typically has a freezer compartment with a build-in defroster to keep ice build-up to a minimum; the teacher suggest looking at the denier's electric build – in doing so the denier could actually calculate the additional latent heat that caused the ice built up.

Now part of this experiment is also social. In a lot of areas, the 5th graders would move onto biology – some rather non-controversial issues like where babies come from. But in some other areas, things get more interesting – the denier who had to pay a higher electric bill riles up all the other deniers claiming the science teacher is actually a witch! The group then not only burns all the science books and run the teacher/witch out of town but they also burn down the entire school (some suggest the hidden agenda is to lower property taxes). They then begin to home school those 5th graders so that when they grow up to be adults, they too can be non-scientist who can differentiate between real science and witchcraft – who knows, maybe they’ll get a chance to burn some books for the grandkids!

An experiment that has several valuable lessons about today’s America.

[salsabob]

Some more insights -

http://www.washingto...mate-solutions/

In the past half decade, a small cottage industry has arisen among communications researchers, political scientists, and political psychologists, all of whom have sought to explain the same phenomenon: Why Republicans and conservatives have become so dogged in their rejection of the science of climate change. Psychological causes that have since been highlighted include conspiratorial thinking, free market ideology, an "individualist" worldview, and "system justification," or the motive to defend the status quo. (As I've noted, liberals also deny science, though it can be a struggle to find equally clear-cut cases.)

You might think there is little more to add here. But a new study in the Journal of Personality and Social Psychology, by Troy Campbell and Aaron Kay of the Duke University Fuqua School of Business, teases out a key factor that, while not inconsistent with many of the above explanations, definitely helps us better understand what is going on. Namely, the researchers show that Republicans reject climate science a lot more when they perceive it to support ideologically inconvenient policy solutions (like, say, the EPA's Clean Power Plan) than when they don't. In other words, the authors argue, this "solution aversion" feeds back into conservatives' perception of science itself.

The paper shows the significance of “solution aversion” through a series of four experiments -- the final of which also catches liberals engaging in the behavior. But first, let's look at this phenomenon as it manifests on the right.



In one of the paper's experiments, politically diverse research subjects were separated into two groups, one of whose members read about a climate change solution that involved regulatory action to reduce emissions (much like the EPA's approach), while the other group read about "how the United States could help stop climate change and profit from leading the world in green technology." Afterwards, subjects were asked how much they agreed that humans are causing climate change.

The result was that whether or not they'd read about a "free market" climate solution or a "government regulatory" climate solution, Democrats believed in the science of climate change about equally. But for Republicans, which solution they'd read about seemed to have a very big effect on their feelings about the science:

A similar result, incidentally, has been found by Yale researcher Dan Kahan and his colleagues: Framing climate solutions around either nuclear power or geoengineering (artificial interference with the climate system in order to slow the rate of warming, a technological fix) also seems to make conservatives more accepting of climate science. This is presumably because these solutions are also perceived as being based on the free market and individual ingenuity, rather than a command and control government regulatory approach.

Thus, the new paper definitely adds to the mountain of evidence suggesting that conservatives reject modern climate science because they think that it implies a series of policies that they find unacceptable.

Ah, science is acceptable when it doesn't cross one's politics.

And some people think the Krotch brothers are wasting their money on campaign ads. Silly people.

[Rogerdodger]

I see the facts are getting to you. Try this:

Krotch Brothers creating artificial ice machine!!! I'm super serial!

Denver cold shatters 1882 record...

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The myopic Chicken Little knows nothing about historical climate records.
He sites a drought in California and cold in Colorado to prove his worst fears.
He will not acknowledge the truth:
QUOTE By aging old tree stumps in Lake Tahoe, climate researchers found a dry period that lasted an estimated 1,300 years until it finally started getting wetter around 4000 B.C.
And, more recently, an extended dry period that began about 1,050 years ago likely helped cause the absolute collapse of intricate Southwest American-Indian societies.

Edited by Rogerdodger, 13 November 2014 - 10:28 PM.

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The Big Picture

Since global average temperatures are dominated by ocean temps, it is significant that multidecadal cycles are presently shifting from warmer phases to cooler. The Pacific Decadal Oscillation entered its cooler period recently, and the current weak El Nino is evidence of this. (PDO is an index of Northeastern Pacific based upon ~30-year periods, warm when El Ninos dominate, and cool when La Ninas rule.)

Now the focus is on the Atlantic ocean temps and what to expect from the AMO (Atlantic Multidecadal Oscillation), which has peaked and is likely to trend downward

“The AMO tracks to the solar irradiance with a lag of about 8-9 years. This suggests the current warm AMO state will end by around 2015. Northern Hemispheric temperature will take a leg down. With the cooling of the Pacific now and more La Ninas, look for net cooling especially in the tropics until then.”


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[stocks]

The Big Picture

Since global average temperatures are dominated by ocean temps, it is significant that multidecadal cycles are presently shifting from warmer phases to cooler. The Pacific Decadal Oscillation entered its cooler period recently, and the current weak El Nino is evidence of this. (PDO is an index of Northeastern Pacific based upon ~30-year periods, warm when El Ninos dominate, and cool when La Ninas rule.)

Now the focus is on the Atlantic ocean temps and what to expect from the AMO (Atlantic Multidecadal Oscillation), which has peaked and is likely to trend downward

“The AMO tracks to the solar irradiance with a lag of about 8-9 years. This suggests the current warm AMO state will end by around 2015. Northern Hemispheric temperature will take a leg down. With the cooling of the Pacific now and more La Ninas, look for net cooling especially in the tropics until then.”


https://notalotofpeo...utz-on-the-amo/

Desperate Times for the CAGW believers as Earth begins to Cool.

There is a new Science Magazine paper by Steinmann Mann and Miller:

This paper recognizes that there are serious differences between the NH, N Pacific and N Atlantic Sea Surface Temps model runs and the observed temperatures. The authors are particularly concerned to explain the recent "Pause".

Ben Booth of the Hadley center does sound a refreshingly cautionary ( for Science Mag and Hadley ) note saying that the paper is only useful if the current models accurately represent both the external drivers of past climate and the climate responses to them and that there is reason to be cautious in both of these areas. This comment is an encouraging sign that empirical reality may be finally making an impression on the establishment consciousness.

If the expected sharp cooling in 2017-2018 suggested by the drop in the Ap index and Neutron Monitor data in Figs 13 and 14 of the post linked above actually occurs it should just about finish off the whole CAGW meme.


http://climatesense-...lievers-as.html

[Rogerdodger]

April 23, 2015, reminds me of last May 1st when we had the latest ever snow and frost.
WINTER RETURNS:

Snow in 23 states...