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#31 Rogerdodger

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Posted 07 November 2013 - 08:54 PM

Delaware Spends $4 Million to Enroll 4 People?
Delaware has finally released its Obamacare enrollment number: Four.
Yes, a grand total of four state residents have fully enrolled in Obamacare. The cost to American taxpayers: $1 million per enrollee.
The state spent $4 million in federal grant money on four community organizations. Two of the community organizations have yet to have a single successful enrollment. The state blames the glitchy website and delays in background checks for the marketplace guides.

That's a bargain....Sebelius spent $500 million and signed up 6!

Wolfgang puck's restaurant closed here in Tulsa this month.
"The dining room was packed during the early days of the restaurant, and wait times were up to an hour on busy nights."
People were excited at first but when they saw the menu prices, they ate elsewhere.
That happens in a free market.
Tyranny is different.

C.S. Lewis:
“Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience. They may be more likely to go to Heaven yet at the same time likelier to make a Hell of earth. This very kindness stings with intolerable insult. To be "cured" against one's will and cured of states which we may not regard as disease is to be put on a level of those who have not yet reached the age of reason or those who never will; to be classed with infants, imbeciles, and domestic animals.”

Edited by Rogerdodger, 07 November 2013 - 09:03 PM.


#32 AChartist

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Posted 07 November 2013 - 10:37 PM

Just sticking a couple topics in here instead of starting a thread.

New C Fitts, always useful.


This was posted a few places about an IMF hit, notice they have been running she-vampire Lagarde out on the toons.

It is saying that anyone with positive net worth is getting hit. So there are steps necessary to get into exempt property, otherwise maybe ways to
get into negative net worth on paper. For now I am going to borrow out of 401k what is available ( which isnt much ).

Now this is a sticky problem. If spending borrowed 401k money on waste and consumption, then it is repayed with after tax money and income tax is paid twice
on the same money, making it 60% taxed money. But if it is saved and the loan repayed from itself, then it is tax neutral. If it is spent into an secure investment, to bring forward something that was scheduled from after tax money anyway, then it is tax neutral with a little twist of a gov type of phony accounting fraud justifications.
I think that I will take it out and buy an equity indexed annuity. The initial entry in equity indexed annuity is best when market is down but
not that critical. I may be able to get it out in a week or so, buy the equity index annuity ahead of the time they are preparing the next gov shutdown scam that
is the premise to setup the IMF hit, which would be Feb, with a chance mkt is lower then for the initial fixed equity indexed annuity purchase.

The Whole Life and non-qualified Annuity are exempt. I image the WL is best for exemption. They would still have their tapeworm into an IRA annuity and
that doesn't work.

It is recommended to occur quickly before avoidance ( JPM capital controls ?) and will target anything above positive net worth.

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The sharp deterioration of the public finances in many countries has revived interest in a “capital levy”— a one-off tax on private wealth—as an exceptional measure to restore debt sustainability. The appeal is that such a tax, if it is implemented before avoidance is possible and there is a belief that it will never be repeated, does not distort behavior (and may be seen by some as fair). … The conditions for success are strong, but also need to be weighed against the risks of the alternatives, which include repudiating public debt or inflating it away. … The tax rates needed to bring down public debt to precrisis levels, moreover, are sizable: reducing debt ratios to end-2007 levels would require (for a sample of 15 euro area countries) a tax rate of about 10 percent on households with positive net wealth. (page 49)”

http://www.forbes.co...h-confiscation/

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#33 Rogerdodger

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Posted 08 November 2013 - 10:01 PM

REPORT: 52 million Americans have lost or will lose health insurance...

"...his administration knew that tens of millions of people actually could lose those their policies" but lied to sell it.

" To win support from those who already had insurance, he made the promise that no one who liked their plan would lose it. The key was that millions of plans would be “grandfathered” in the new law, thus protected from any new requirements.
Yet as insurance companies started notifying hundreds of thousands this fall that their current policies were being canceled in preparation for new ones, it became clear that many were not guaranteed to keep their plans."

NC Health Exchange: Only 1 Person Signed Up So Far, But Hasn't Paid

Lone Applicant Already Targeted By Scammer...

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#34 Rogerdodger

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Posted 17 January 2014 - 06:03 PM

There are so many daily horror stories that it seems repetitive at this point.

However here's a look at our future under government health care:

41k Canadians flee country over healthcare system....
The report from the free-market Fraser Institute found that 41,838 Canadians became “medical tourists” in 2013 and sought care outside of their hockey-loving country.
“That a considerable number of Canadians traveled and paid to escape the well-known failings of the Canadian health care system speaks volumes about how well the system is working for them,” Ismail added.Wait times for patients who had consulted with a specialist till the time they got actual treatment increased from 9.3 weeks in 2012 to 9.6 weeks in 2013. According to the report, there are many reasons why someone would leave Canada to seek treatment. Including “because of a lack of available resources or the fact that some procedures or equipment are not provided in their home jurisdiction” as well as “concerns about quality, seeking out more advanced healthcare facilities, higher tech medicine, or better outcomes.”

Where will we Americans go? MEXICO, CUBA? :lol:

Edited by Rogerdodger, 17 January 2014 - 06:08 PM.


#35 Lee48

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Posted 17 January 2014 - 07:08 PM

Americans without healthcare take a vacation to India, Mexico, and the Philippines for surgery and joint replacement that is 1/4th the price of the US medical ripoff. Rich Canadians will make a short trip down to the US. Factors that have led to the increasing popularity of medical travel include the high cost of health care, long wait times for certain procedures, the ease and affordability of international travel, and improvements in both technology and standards of care in many countries.[4] The avoidance of waiting times is the leading factor for medical tourism from the UK, whereas in the US, the main reason is cheaper prices abroad. Many surgery procedures performed in medical tourism destinations cost a fraction of the price they do in the First World. For example a liver transplant that costs $300,000 USD in America costs about $91,000 USD in Taiwan.[5] A large draw to medical travel is convenience and speed. Countries that operate public health-care systems are often so taxed that it can take considerable time to get non-urgent medical care. Using Canada as an example, an estimated 782,936 Canadians spent time on medical waiting lists in 2005, waiting an average of 9.4 weeks.[6] Canada has set waiting-time benchmarks, e. g. 26 weeks for a hip replacement and 16 weeks for cataract surgery, for non-urgent medical procedures.[7] Medical tourists come from a variety of locations including Europe, the Middle East, Japan, the United States, and Canada. Factors that drive demand for medical services abroad in First World countries include: large populations, comparatively high wealth, the high expense of health care or lack of health care options locally, and increasingly high expectations of their populations with respect to health care. In First World countries like the United States medical tourism has large growth prospects and potentially destabilizing implications. A forecast by Deloitte Consulting published in August 2008 projected that medical tourism originating in the US could jump by a factor of ten over the next decade. An estimated 750,000 Americans went abroad for health care in 2007, and the report estimated that 1.5 million would seek health care outside the US in 2008. The growth in medical tourism has the potential to cost US health care providers billions of dollars in lost revenue.[8] An authority at the Harvard Business School recently stated that "medical tourism is promoted much more heavily in the United Kingdom than in the United States".[9] Additionally, some patients in some First World countries are finding that insurance either does not cover orthopedic surgery (such as knee/hip replacement) or limits the choice of the facility, surgeon, or prosthetics to be used. Medical tourism for knee/hip replacements has emerged as one of the more widely accepted procedures because of the lower cost and minimal difficulties associated with the traveling to/from the surgery.

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Posted 17 January 2014 - 07:32 PM

On the plus side if you don't want to leave the country, a surgical center in Oklahoma are charging much lower prices, especially if you are a cash payer. In Oklahoma City, one surgical center is successfully reducing the price tag for their procedures by thousands of dollars — and encouraging nearby hospitals to follow suit. What’s the secret? The two doctors who started the Surgery Center of Oklahoma, Dr. Keith Smith and Dr. Steven Lantier, are committed to charging fair prices, and they founded their hospital with the goal of price transparency. “What we’ve discovered is health care really doesn’t cost that much,” Dr. Smith told KFOR-TV. “What people are being charged for is another matter altogether.” They have been posting all of their prices online for the past several years, and they charge significantly less than other hospitals in the area. “When we first started we thought we were about half the price of the hospitals,” Dr. Lantier said. “Then we found out we’re less than half price. Then we find out we’re a sixth to an eighth of what their prices are. I can’t believe the average person can afford health care at these prices.” After comparing the Surgery Center’s prices with the bills for the same surgical procedures at other Oklahoma City hospitals, KFOR-TV confirmed just how wide that gulf is. For example, a $3,500 breast biopsy at Surgery Center of Oklahoma will cost $16,244 at nearby Mercy Hospital. A hysterectomy jumps from $8,000 at Surgery Center to $37,174 at Integris Baptist Hospital. And the OU Medical Center consistently charges about $15,000 more than what the Surgery Center does for common procedures like open fracture repairs and gall bladder removal. The two doctors started somewhat of a medical bidding war after they started publicizing their pricing options. People began traveling from out town and even from out of state to take advantage of the much lower bills at the Surgery Center — and other hospitals took notice. At least five other Oklahoma City-area medical facilities started posting their own prices online, and some of them are even beginning to lower their bills as their patients push for price-matching. “Hospitals are having to match our price

#37 Rogerdodger

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Posted 18 January 2014 - 12:30 AM

Imagine, an actual medical menu with clear pricing.
Who would eat at a restaurant without pricing on the menu?
And these prices are much better than Obama's $15,000+ a year.

http://www.surgeryce...ok.com/pricing/

Edited by Rogerdodger, 18 January 2014 - 12:31 AM.


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Posted 22 January 2014 - 12:07 PM

You are in good hands America.
You can keep your doctor.
You can keep your health care.
You will save $2,500 a year.
Your right to privacy is secure.


Hundreds in Ohio Lose Doctors...

Target to Drop Health Insurance for Part-Time Workers

Security Expert: I Could Get 70K Obamacare Records in 4 Minutes...

Swedes buy insurance to skip long health queues...

Record 20% of Households on Food Stamps...

Wall Street Advisor: Actual Unemployment is 37.2%...

Edited by Rogerdodger, 22 January 2014 - 12:20 PM.


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Posted 22 January 2014 - 05:27 PM

You are in good hands America.
You can keep your doctor.
You can keep your health care.
You will save $2,500 a year.
Your right to privacy is secure.


Hundreds in Ohio Lose Doctors...

Target to Drop Health Insurance for Part-Time Workers

Security Expert: I Could Get 70K Obamacare Records in 4 Minutes...

Swedes buy insurance to skip long health queues...

Record 20% of Households on Food Stamps...

Wall Street Advisor: Actual Unemployment is 37.2%...


Canada has 100s of so called "illegal" medical clinics (cash only) opening (about one a week) -- you can't buy private health insurance in Canada. UK and much of the Euro counries's people are moving more and more to private health insurance and cash only practices.

ALL of this is to get rid of the horrendous wait times and denial of care issues of "single payer" government plans.
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Posted 23 January 2014 - 12:24 PM

It looks like the "real" plan to destroy the best medical care in the world is working or proof that command and control government has once again failed.
Either way, I'm going to need treatment for bi-polar because I don't know if it's pure genius or just plain ineptitude:

MOODY downgrades health insurers on Obamacare...
"While we've had industry risks from regulatory changes on our radar for a while, the ongoing unstable and evolving environment is a key factor for our outlook change," Stephen Zaharuk, author of the report, said in a statement. "The past few months have seen new regulations and announcements that impose operational changes well after product and pricing decisions were finalized."

The release noted, "Uncertainty over the demographics of those enrolling in individual products through the exchanges is a key factor in Moody's outlook change. ... Enrollment statistics show that only 24 percent of enrollees so far are between 18 and 34, a critical age group in ensuring that lower claim costs subsidize the higher claim costs of less healthy, older individuals. This is well short of the original 40 percent target based on the proportion of eligible people in this cohort."

Moody's also said it was "unclear" whether the impact of the new tax on health insurance policies was properly accounted for by insurers in their 2014 forecasts.

Edited by Rogerdodger, 23 January 2014 - 12:35 PM.