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#1 Rogerdodger

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Posted 25 November 2013 - 07:35 PM

Solyndra's Henry Kaiser and Al Gore haven't finished counting all of their GREEN yet while we little guys pay the price for GREEN schemes.

Price of Chicken Hits All-Time High...

U.S. cattle prices set more records as supply shrinks...

Corn for Food, Not Fuel...

Price of Electricity Hit Record for October; Up 42% in Decade...

Shutdown of 150th coal plant reminder of the 'war on coal'...

Wind Farm SLAUGHTER!

“Robbin' the 'Hood”: California's Green Energy Schemes Benefit the the Well-Connected...


Green Energy: The Rotary Dial Phone of the Future...
Instead of growing our gas, we need to be growing food that can feed a hungry world and balance out the U.S. trade deficit.
In a November 17 editorial, the Wall Street Journal (WSJ) perfectly sums up the current renewable resource status: “After 35 years of exaggerations about the benefits of renewable fuels, the industry has lost credibility.” Similarly, on the same day, the Washington Post (WP) went a step further, stating that ethanol “has been exposed as an environmental and economic mistake.”
It seems that ethanol is an idea whose time has come—and gone.

We all still suffer... but especially the poor.

Edited by Rogerdodger, 25 November 2013 - 07:45 PM.


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Posted 28 November 2013 - 09:47 AM

Another Coal Plant bites the dust

Another sad story for those who make the buggy-whip, but here's the quote that gets me:

“The attack on coal is so broad-reaching in our little community,” said Casey Hopes, a Carbon County commissioner, whose grandfather was a coal miner. “The power plants, the mines — they support so many smaller businesses. We don’t have another industry.”

Like others in Price, Mr. Hopes voiced frustration with the Obama administration, saying it should be investing more in clean coal technology rather than discarding coal altogether.


Everyone in the energy industry, especially those it appears who have made a bundle, wants a government hand-out. Besides the fact so far there is no such thing, why wasn't the coal industry pouring some of its billions back into developing "clean coal technology"? Since it was easier and more profitable to pollute (even bringing up "clean coal" now let's us know they knew all along what they were doing), this is yet another industry that did not tend to its business and now that its gig is up, it bellyaches that the government didn't either. Yeah, yeah, cry on our tax-paying shoulders but please...just wave goodbye. :bye:

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Posted 28 November 2013 - 10:17 AM

The high cost of carbon pollution.

FIND YOUR COST

24 HOURS OF REALITY - THE COST OF CARBON

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#4 Rogerdodger

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Posted 02 December 2013 - 11:14 PM

Solar industry grapples with hazardous wastes
The industry is creating millions of solar panels each year and, in the process, millions of pounds of polluted sludge and contaminated water. To dispose of the material, the companies must transport it by truck or rail far from their own plants to waste facilities hundreds and, in some cases, thousands of miles away.
The fossil fuels used to transport that waste, experts say, is not typically considered in calculating solar's carbon footprint, giving scientists and consumers who use the measurement to gauge a product's impact on global warming the impression that solar is cleaner than it is.

The state records show the 17 companies, which had 44 manufacturing facilities in California, produced 46.5 million pounds of sludge and contaminated water from 2007 through the first half of 2011. Roughly 97 percent of it was taken to hazardous waste facilities throughout the state, but more than 1.4 million pounds were transported to nine other states: Arkansas, Minnesota, Nebraska, Rhode Island, Nevada, Washington, Utah, New Mexico and Arizona.

Solyndra, the now-defunct solar company that received $535 million in guaranteed federal loans, reported producing about 12.5 million pounds of hazardous waste, much of it carcinogenic cadmium-contaminated water, which was sent to waste facilities from 2007 through mid-2011.

The records also show several other Silicon Valley solar facilities created millions of pounds of toxic waste without selling a single solar panel, while they were developing their technology or fine-tuning their production.

Edited by Rogerdodger, 02 December 2013 - 11:16 PM.


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Posted 03 December 2013 - 05:26 AM

Solar industry grapples with hazardous wastes
The industry is creating millions of solar panels each year and, in the process, millions of pounds of polluted sludge and contaminated water. To dispose of the material, the companies must transport it by truck or rail far from their own plants to waste facilities hundreds and, in some cases, thousands of miles away.
The fossil fuels used to transport that waste, experts say, is not typically considered in calculating solar's carbon footprint, giving scientists and consumers who use the measurement to gauge a product's impact on global warming the impression that solar is cleaner than it is.

The state records show the 17 companies, which had 44 manufacturing facilities in California, produced 46.5 million pounds of sludge and contaminated water from 2007 through the first half of 2011. Roughly 97 percent of it was taken to hazardous waste facilities throughout the state, but more than 1.4 million pounds were transported to nine other states: Arkansas, Minnesota, Nebraska, Rhode Island, Nevada, Washington, Utah, New Mexico and Arizona.

Solyndra, the now-defunct solar company that received $535 million in guaranteed federal loans, reported producing about 12.5 million pounds of hazardous waste, much of it carcinogenic cadmium-contaminated water, which was sent to waste facilities from 2007 through mid-2011.

The records also show several other Silicon Valley solar facilities created millions of pounds of toxic waste without selling a single solar panel, while they were developing their technology or fine-tuning their production.



Much the same can be said of the mining and manufacturing waste -- and transportation issues involved -- for lithium and other rare earth batteries that are VERY necessary for electric cars to be viable.

ALSO, these batteries are not recyclable and be come pure toxic waste.

Edited by *JB*, 03 December 2013 - 05:26 AM.

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Posted 03 December 2013 - 09:51 AM

The few overburdened taxpayers who are left pay through the nose for the least reliable source of energy:

Green energy could crash power grid, officials say...

Green energy is the least predictable kind. Nobody can say for certain when the wind will blow or the sun will shine. A field of solar panels might be cranking out huge amounts of energy one minute and a tiny amount the next if a thick cloud arrives. In many cases, renewable resources exist where transmission lines don't.
"The grid was not built for renewables," said Trieu Mai, senior analyst at the National Renewable Energy Laboratory.
The frailty imperils lofty goals for greenhouse gas reductions.

Concerned state and federal officials are spending billions of dollars in ratepayer and taxpayer money.

Making a green energy future work will be "one of the greatest technological challenges industrialized societies have undertaken," a group of scholars at Caltech said in a recent report.

The report notes that by 2030, about $1 trillion (of burdened taxpayers money) is expected to be spent nationwide in bringing the grid up to date.

Edited by Rogerdodger, 03 December 2013 - 09:54 AM.


#7 Rogerdodger

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Posted 18 December 2013 - 10:40 AM

"Green" energy fiascoes hurt the poor the most as they force food AND energy costs to skyrocket as tax money is wasted by government programs to enrich the well connected while further impoverishing the poor:

Price of Ground Beef Hits All-Time High...

The secret, dirty cost of government's green power push


"This is an ecological disaster."
The ethanol era has proven far more damaging to the environment than politicians promised and much worse than the government admits today.
As farmers rushed to find new places to plant corn, they wiped out millions of acres of conservation land, destroyed habitat and polluted water supplies, an Associated Press investigation found.
Five million acres of land set aside for conservation - more than Yellowstone, Everglades and Yosemite National Parks combined - have vanished on Obama's watch.
Landowners filled in wetlands. They plowed into pristine prairies, releasing carbon dioxide that had been locked in the soil.
Sprayers pumped out billions of pounds of fertilizer, some of which seeped into drinking water, contaminated rivers and worsened the huge dead zone in the Gulf of Mexico where marine life can't survive.
The consequences are so severe that environmentalists and many scientists have now rejected corn-based ethanol as bad environmental policy. But the Obama administration stands by it, highlighting its benefits to the farming industry rather than any negative impact.
The government's predictions of the benefits have proven so inaccurate that independent scientists question whether it will ever achieve its central environmental goal: reducing greenhouse gases. That makes the hidden costs even more significant.

EPA rules kill clean energy project...
More than seven years after making public its plans to construct a major coal-fired power plant in Rogers Township, Wolverine leaders have given up.
Faced with years of government red tape and what backers of the project agree were unreasonable regulations, the cooperative admitted investing more than $25 million to jump through constantly moving hoops set up to block construction of new power plants.
What started as a promise for as many as 2,000 construction jobs and 100 permanent jobs is now off the table.

So once again, the poor pay more for energy and the opportunity for employment vanishes.

Edited by Rogerdodger, 18 December 2013 - 10:53 AM.


#8 Rogerdodger

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Posted 23 December 2013 - 10:49 PM

It's a good thing that the poor don't need affordable energy.

Electricity Price Index at All-Time High in USA...

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Edited by Rogerdodger, 23 December 2013 - 10:51 PM.


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Posted 24 December 2013 - 01:48 PM

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Posted 26 December 2013 - 02:38 PM

Tulsa has the lowest gas prices in the country. Now if it wasn't so hot in the summer and sprinkled with tornadoes I might move there. ;) TULSA (AP) — AAA Oklahoma says Tulsans are enjoying the lowest gasoline prices in the nation. The average price for self-serve regular gas was about $3.02 in Tulsa on Tuesday. AAA says that's the lowest citywide average price of all major metro cities in the country. It says some Tulsa locations are selling the fuel for less than $3 per gallon.