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[Rogerdodger]

"I think I'm gonna trust them on this climate change stuff."

Which ones? The ones who believe in Al Gore's "settled science" or the real scientists who examine facts without a pre-conceived (or paid for) conclusion?

I remember the day when "four out of five doctors prefer Lucky Strike cigarettes."

 

"It's far too easy for scientists who have already anticipated the outcome of their research to cherry-pick to achieve the results they expect to see. This research paper carried that idea to the ridiculous extreme."

 

Researchers Show Parachutes Don't Work Any Better Than A Backpack if you have to jump from an aircraft

Research published in a major medical journal concludes that a parachute is no more effective than an empty backpack at protecting you from harm if you have to jump from an aircraft.

But before you leap to any rash conclusions, you had better hear the whole story.

The study was done on a parked aircraft.

 

Edited by Rogerdodger, 23 December 2018 - 11:06 AM.

[Rogerdodger]

Benefits of "climate change": Less hurricanes and tornadoes and a greener earth.

 

It was 2005 when Al Gore made his famous "Fake Science" predictions that major hurricanes would be commonplace.

“A true planetary crisis”

Then a decade went by without out any major hurricane hitting the US.

 

Now we read that, 2018 will be HISTORIC: The first year with no violent EF4-5 tornadoes in the United States

 

"It was a quiet year for tornadoes overall, with below normal numbers most months.

It will be the first time since the modern record began in 1950."

 

And the greener earth is lovely!

Any marijuana grower will tell you the importance of  CO2 for plants to thrive. ;-)

 

PS :People in California would do well to keep all the new vegetation cut back to prevent fires.

 

Edited by Rogerdodger, 27 December 2018 - 12:03 PM.

[*JB*]

I'm still waiting for the explanation of what is the ''proper'' amount of CO2 in the atmosphere.

There has been less ... but ... there has been a lot more. ''Since they've been keeping records'' is a fraction of blink of an eye in the global scheme.

Edited by *JB*, 27 December 2018 - 12:47 PM.

[colion]

Warmists (i.e., AGW) can't explain the pause so they don't know the cause.

[Rogerdodger]

There's BIG MONEY in the BIG CLIMATE CHANGE INDUSTRY! 

Selling fear pays very well:

You might get an EMMY nomination,

How about an OSCAR, NOBEL and a GRAMMY, Al Gore style.

Or, behind curtain number 3: $500,000,000 in Solyndra style grant money.

Get yours while it's still HOT!

 

'Climate change' expert charged with choking his fiancee...

 

“Aaron has received millions of dollars in grants;

has published more than 80 journal articles, books, book chapters, and conference proceedings.

His website bills him as an explorer with a “passion for education and change” and details some of his lectures to more than 15 million students, as well as his dog-sledding trips and more than 5,000 miles exploring the Arctic since 2004. His latest project, “The Changing Earth,” is an Emmy-nominated documentary."

Edited by Rogerdodger, 28 December 2018 - 12:10 PM.

[*JB*]

The AGW crowd condemned those scientists that were paid 10 thousand for the rights to publish already written papers that opposed manmade warming claims.

Now people make millions to THEN write AGW papers.

[brucekeller]

Yeah but those scientists that land those rovers are top tier scientists.  Climate scientists are kind of like the bottom 50% of the class just getting easy grant money doing levels of science that I am capable of. 

Edited by brucekeller, 29 December 2018 - 09:02 AM.

[MaryAM]

When someone published both the rate of CO2 Emissions AND CO2 Consumption - specifically the latter - we can have a discussion.  Phytoplankton are the largest producer (eater) of CO2 and most oxygen is generated from the oceans only a minor amount is produced by land based plants.  Pytoplankton are kind of like cockroaches - when there is a lot of food (CO2) they breed, when the food supply is limited they eat each other or die.  Heat absorption is another issue - water vapor holds way more heat than CO2.  Something started releasing water vapor at the end of the last ice age - uhhh - the sun got stronger,  melted the ice, ice went to water, water went to water vapor, and the warming continued.  At some point the sun will enter a weaker stage, water will freeze again, vapor will freeze out the atmosphere, the air will get drier and colder, plants will die, and we will enter another ice age (don't plan on being around when it happens).  The fact also remains - these climate cycles take tens of thousands to hundreds of thousands, or hundreds of millions of years - we are dealing with maybe 100 years of climate data and the geologic record (which can sometimes be used to assume a climate condition but not necessarily temperature) and that record is not available everywhere on the earth - for example 200,000 million years of geologic record is completely gone from Maine - totally eroded away - vanished, probably located somewhere among the piedmont sediments.  You really want to talk climate change - let us talk about the Permian Extinction - 70% of all the plant and animal species on the face of the earth became extinct - among the fatalities - foraminifera - another very active oxygen producer.  The dead Forams gave us oil and gas.  The trees and plants that died gave us coal and the mollusks and other marine shelled animals gave us limestone and marble (carbon based rock). Man was not around when all this happened.  When man discovered these gifts from the Permian Extinction, they were able to improve their lives and control their climate with heat, ultimately power machines (only in the last 150 years or so), and produce electricity.  We are talking about advancements that are so recent in the geologic history as to be one molecule out of the entire universe.   If mans contribution of CO2 were so extreme in the atmosphere in recent years we would have started to have incidences of asphyxiation in the population - we can't breathe CO2.  So the increases would be self limiting - man creates too much CO2 and a portion of the population dies off and stops producing CO2.    

[*JB*]

Humans didn't cause 800,000 years of constant, normal, cyclical temperature changes, including the past 10,000 years, 6,100 of which were warmer than today. In fact, warming has paused for nearly two decades despite marginal increases in CO2.
Indeed, warmer climates are better than cold ones for humans and most animal species. World-wide, annually, there are far more cold-related than heat-related deaths.

Moreover, in addition to a greener Earth, increased CO2 and higher temperatures together provide other shared benefits, including longer growing seasons, more crop cycles and greater human food security.

[Rogerdodger]

MaryAM, good one.

We have lots of limestone and coral here in mid-America, left from when this was once a sea bed! (So much for ocean levels rising.)

 

"Phytoplankton are the largest producer (eater) of CO2"

It is theorized that carbon based fuels are not just ancient fossil based, but are being continually created by millions of tons of dying Phytoplankton falling to unexplorable ocean depths under extreme pressure.

 

Greenies now are so excited to replicate something similar with algae and call it "sustainable biofuels".

They are getting HUGE government grants for their efforts.

That seems to be similar to being paid to grow "sustainable" grass in your house when you have a whole yard full of it.

 

Real "settled" Scientists say: "We know so little and we don't know what we don't know."

Edited by Rogerdodger, 30 December 2018 - 11:30 AM.