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#11 *JB*

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Posted 06 December 2018 - 12:40 PM

Looks like she didn't pay much attention to the dems' coniving in writing the ACA.
NO Republican was involved in writing it ... nor voted for it!

''On-boarding to Congress'' ... give me a break!

Edited by *JB*, 06 December 2018 - 12:50 PM.

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Posted 06 December 2018 - 01:41 PM

 

Looks like she didn't pay much attention to the dems' coniving in writing the ACA.
NO Republican was involved in writing it ... nor voted for it!

''On-boarding to Congress'' ... give me a break!

 

 

Then along came the Grassley (R, Iowa) Amendment which forced members of Congress to give up their Federal Insurance and enroll in the ACA.  But like most Republican gestures it was hypocrisy as usual since it was a way for Congress to give the appearance the members were just like every other American, but because of a ruling by the Office of Personnel Management in 2013 members of Congress can keep their employer insurance subsidies (which come out of your and my wallets) despite the fact they all make too much money (which comes out your and my wallets) to qualify for any subsidy.

 

Grassley has said his intention always was to allow members of Congress to continue being on the Federal health-care dole even though the "had" to be enrolled in the ACA exchange.

 

Ms. Ocasio-Cortez' point was the TWICE as much she paid as a waitress.  That is probably because the ACA does not allow small business to make contributions to employee health insurance if they are paying so little the employee is eligible for the government subsidy. God knows what backroom "conniving" with what Republican led to that absurdity ending up in the legislation.

 

Regardless of how it was done, by whom, on behalf of what lobby and to placate Republican obstructionists who weren't going to vote for it anyway, American Health Care in comparison to the rest of the industrialized world remains an utter disgrace.

 

Maybe Ms. Ocasio-Cortez, who is 28 years old and up against a geriatric mob already on Medicare, can eventually and finally get this fixed for the benefit of every American citizen and every American business.

 

Now excuse me, in the meantime, I need to go to Mexico for a bit to get a problem with my teeth fixed.


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#13 *JB*

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Posted 06 December 2018 - 04:25 PM

 

Looks like she didn't pay much attention to the dems' coniving in writing the ACA.
NO Republican was involved in writing it ... nor voted for it!

''On-boarding to Congress'' ... give me a break!
 
 
Then along came the Grassley (R, Iowa) Amendment which forced members of Congress to give up their Federal Insurance and enroll in the ACA.  But like most Republican gestures it was hypocrisy as usual since it was a way for Congress to give the appearance the members were just like every other American, but because of a ruling by the Office of Personnel Management in 2013 members of Congress can keep their employer insurance subsidies (which come out of your and my wallets) despite the fact they all make too much money (which comes out your and my wallets) to qualify for any subsidy.
 
Grassley has said his intention always was to allow members of Congress to continue being on the Federal health-care dole even though the "had" to be enrolled in the ACA exchange.
 
Ms. Ocasio-Cortez' point was the TWICE as much she paid as a waitress.  That is probably because the ACA does not allow small business to make contributions to employee health insurance if they are paying so little the employee is eligible for the government subsidy. God knows what backroom "conniving" with what Republican led to that absurdity ending up in the legislation.
 
Regardless of how it was done, by whom, on behalf of what lobby and to placate Republican obstructionists who weren't going to vote for it anyway, American Health Care in comparison to the rest of the industrialized world remains an utter disgrace.
 
Maybe Ms. Ocasio-Cortez, who is 28 years old and up against a geriatric mob already on Medicare, can eventually and finally get this fixed for the benefit of every American citizen and every American business.
 
Now excuse me, in the meantime, I need to go to Mexico for a bit to get a problem with my teeth fixed.

No matter what you want to twist, the plain fact is that the Democrats literally changed the locks, and refused to let any Republican in the room, when the ACA was fleshed out ... period.

The ACA was A fustercluck controlled COMPLETELY by the dems. You have NO real CLUE as to what Grassley's intent was... In any case NOTHING was passed without complete control by the dems.

I'm waiting for her explanation of how the $30+ trillion cost of her ''Medicare for all'' will be paid by the ''3 chambers of government'' she mentioned.
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#14 diogenes227

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Posted 06 December 2018 - 07:04 PM

As to having "NO real CLUE" as to what Grassley's intent was.  He was pretty clear:

 

GRASSLEY

 

From the link:

 

Sen. Charles E. Grassley, R-Iowa, said Thursday he is frustrated by the continuing battle over health benefits for members of Congress and their staff, which he attributes to a drafting mistake in the Affordable Care Act by Democrats.

Grassley sponsored the original amendment requiring lawmakers and staffers to enter the Obamacare exchanges, but he didn't intend for them to lose the employer subsidy.

 

"It is frustrating, but it's most frustrating because if they had let those of us who knew anything about health care draft this amendment, we wouldn't have this controversy," Grassley said.

Grassley said staff for Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., did not properly draft the statutory language for his amendment, omitting language that would have allowed lawmakers and staff to keep their employer contribution while in the exchanges.

 

After the Office of Personnel Management issued a ruling that allowed them to keep their employer contributions anyway, some in the GOP cried foul. An attempt by Sen. David Vitter, R-La., to reverse the OPM rule and expand the staff covered, including all political appointees, has since roiled the Senate.

 

Grassley has said repeatedly that the OPM rule was in line with the original intent of the amendment, despite the amendment not being his.

 

Obviously he was trying to have the members have their cake and eat it too.  The OPM finally gave it to them and even then Sen. Vitter (R, La.) wasn't satisfied and wanted more separation between various appointees and the people they are supposedly there to serve. 

 

This constant blaming the Dems who had to try to finally extend ealth care to those deprived of it in the face of unprecedented Republican opposition and obstruction is ridiculous. Remember the endless  "Repeal and Replace" chant from Republican. Six years of that, now eight, and they have no CLUE how to replace. Had they openly been willing to work with the Dems from the beginning, it would have been a better bill and if they had been willing to amend to fix its weakness for the benefit of the people who needed it as it rolled out, the cost would be lower, the coverage more extensive. Even now the people want this.  I read just today that enrollment is down just 10% in the face of the Trump administration stripping out 90% of the advertising to let people know the sign-up time. 

 

Medicare was not built in a day. With some real leadership, it may some day finally be for all.

 

As for Ocasio-Cortez' "three chambers" of government which Fox News and a whole lot of Dumbsters like to chortle over endlessly (witness you joining the chorus) although it was a mere slip of the tongue she corrected immediately. How much of an obviously waste of time is that? And stupid do is is look to keep on do it?  Apply that same criticism to the foot in the mouth in the White House and there will not enough time in the day to cover the ground.

 

 

Given as much attention this first-term 28-year-old Congresswoman is getting from both side of the aisle, the Democrats must be scared witless she's going to completely inconvenience their world and the Republican side is as usual, as you'd put it, CLUELESS...


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Posted 06 December 2018 - 09:34 PM

 
Given as much attention this first-term 28-year-old Congresswoman is getting from both side of the aisle, the Democrats must be scared witless she's going to completely inconvenience their world and the Republican side is as usual, as you'd put it, CLUELESS...

So you think she has any chance to ''completely inconvenience'' the Republican world?

She gets the attention because she's a wide eyed child in a cut throat world. I doubt any republican is afraid of someone who spouts unrealistic, pie in the sky, ''solutions '' that you would never have heard outside a dorm room get together 10 years ago. Maybe she is being underestimated ... but, she has given no sign of that so far.

Her on the job training will take far longer than the two year stint she can look forward to. She would still be a waitress if the long term Democrat she beat in the primary had bothered to campaign... in that case the socialist fantacies she espoused were underestimated.

As for Grassley, you have a clue AFTER all. However, my next question is SO WHAT?

Edited by *JB*, 06 December 2018 - 09:43 PM.

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#16 diogenes227

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Posted 07 December 2018 - 10:27 AM

Your wide-eyed child is coming into your cut throat world as one of the leaders in changing health care in America.

 

A VAST MAJORITY OF AMERICANS SUPPORT "MEDICARE FOR ALL"

 

AND MORE THAN HALF OF REPUBLICAN ARE IN SUPPORT:

 

 

Reid Wilson, campaign reporter for The Hill, told Hill.TV's Joe Concha that Republicans have yet to find their messaging on the issue.

 

"This is a debate that has only just started, and there are a lot of Republicans right now who are trying to figure out ways to talk about 'Medicare for all' in ways that will bring that number down, and bring the overall number down," Wilson said on "What America's Thinking."

 

It's about time the leadership of both party start paying attention to what the vast majority of Americans want. And that's not just universal health care.

 

P.S. Don't forget this woman is getting into a fight with geriatrics.  Time, the great leveler, is on her side.


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#17 *JB*

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Posted 07 December 2018 - 03:42 PM

It's about time the leadership of both party start paying attention to what the vast majority of Americans want. And that's not just universal health care.
 
P.S. Don't forget this woman is getting into a fight with geriatrics.  Time, the great leveler, is on her side.


Yes people want it...it sounds wonderful to me. I just don't trust that which is created by ideology (left OR right).

In any case it would have to be done without killing the cow...if possible. That's the rub. Much of Europe is moving away from cradle to grave. Socialism is a dangerous thing. If for any reason, it's attractive promises and often disastrous outcomes.

People love father gov't until it fails them. Venzuala and France come to mind.

I won't pretend to predict her future...no one should.
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#18 *JB*

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Posted 07 December 2018 - 08:22 PM

Well she isn't office yet and may have already violated congessional ethics rules.

https://www.dailywir...r-ryan-saavedra

More to question her judgement and ability to THINK.
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