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[EntropyModel]

Thought some might find this interesting.



http://www.lbl.gov/S...spare-tire.html



Note this important statement -

"However, says Williams, the results of this study indicate that physiological changes that occur as we age also lead to weight gain. The underlying cause of these physiological changes remains an enigma. Some suggest declining testosterone or "male menopause" as a cause. Several genes recently have been identified that may regulate weight. "



I've noticed these effects myself at the ripe old age of 39, started in the last year. I'm a life long fitness obsessed type, and I've maintained about 3% body fat most my life but now its gone up, and that despite reducing calorie intake and increased exercise to little effect as per this study. I'm experimenting with methods to counter this ageing effect, and If I have success will share the results, some success so far. I've run my own exercise studies on myself and willing partner for last 20 years as ultimatelty that's the only way I believe anything.



The one failing of the study was they used runners, it would be interesting to have another group doing intense weight training and no aerobics and compare - as they have slightly different effects on metabolic pathways and hormonal profiles.





This is actually a related study demonstrating homestatic effects that are well known to top athlete's -



http://www.aphrodite...alth_news.shtml



"weight-control behaviors, especially those that involved vomiting or laxative abuse, promoted weight gain more than weight loss, said Stice. The researchers said that these behaviors can lead to increased metabolic efficiency or alter the homeostatic processes. Erratic eating also promotes weight gain because a person does not get regular delivery of nutrients, said Stice, which can alter a person's physiological responses "



An important point here being if your trying to counter ageing effects, you don't want to try to starve yourself to counter it, unless you intend to starve until you die.





Mark

Edited by entropy, 21 August 2006 - 03:44 PM.

[calmcookie]

Yes, I agree that male menopause is real. There are specific hormonal changes that occur with aging in both males and females. I do not, however, think that the middle age spread is inevitable. There are things you can do to prevent it. Trouble is, you'll never hear about these in the mainstream media. Here's one example - Take a small amount of glutamine (heaping teaspoon or so, mixed in cold water) on an empty stomach ... just before bed. Glutamine is well known to boost the production of human growth hormone and assist the ACTIVE physiological process of sleep. Human growth homone is essential for maintaining muscle mass (it also increases REM sleep and makes you wake more refreshed). I could write a great deal on this ... but what's the point? Don't want to get into any heated arguments. C.C. (by the way ... the glutamine will NOT work if you binge on carbohydrates before bedtime ... carbs will PREVENT the release of HGH)

Edited by calmcookie, 21 August 2006 - 05:15 PM.

[EntropyModel]

Thanks Calmcookie. Yes I take Glumatine, and have experimented with it for many years for exercise benefits as well as you say hopefully boosting Gh levels. It definitely aids in recovery from intensive exercise by reducing catabolic effects. Feel free to mention any idea's as don't worry no heated arguments from me. I have been involved with athletes and exercise and nutrition most of my life. In that community most suppliments are known about, and its quickly discovered which ones work(few) and which don't(most). Mark.

Edited by entropy, 21 August 2006 - 05:55 PM.

[Rogerdodger]

I believe that global gravity is increasing due to greenhouse gasses. Most old men are surrounded by such gasses.

[calmcookie]

I believe that global gravity is increasing due to greenhouse gasses.
Most old men are surrounded by such gasses.

Roger ... are you saying you're full of hot air?



And Entropy ... yes, I agree that there are very FEW supplements worth taking. Glutamine and a good omega 3 fish oil source (with sufficient EPA & DHA) are a couple of examples that top my list. Will mention some others later. Above all ... WHOLE FOODS (not processed junk) is the foundation. What do you think is good?



C.C.

[Rogerdodger]

Roger ... are you saying you're full of hot air?

Not now.

[EntropyModel]

And Entropy ... yes, I agree that there are very FEW supplements worth taking. Glutamine and a good omega 3 fish oil source (with sufficient EPA & DHA) are a couple of examples that top my list. Will mention some others later. Above all ... WHOLE FOODS (not processed junk) is the foundation. What do you think is good?

C.C.

Yes I completely agree CC. Here's a litle more on what suppliments I take. I don't take much, what I take is below -



1. Water - the most power supplement, spread throughout the day....staying fully hydrated has huge postive effects.

2. I take fish oil & flax seed oil, and variety of seed souces like pumpkin and sesame.

3. I add vitamin C to water, works to cure me of seasonal allergies as an anti-histamine, best cure ever, works with no side effects.

4. I take Glutamine which assists my recovery from intense exercise, and hopefully stimulate growth hormone, at least it does no harm as is just a protein.



I do NOT take any vitamin supplements, I've research the entire list of required vitamins/minerals/nutrients and ensured I have whole food sources, adding spices like curry/garlic/ginger/chilli's/nutmeg/cinamon etc etc helps with some of the difficult one's to source.



I am not a great believer in taking 'tablets', I find it highly unlikely the body will treat a pill the same way as the complex combined molecules you find in food - I expect most of the tablet vitamin is expelled unprocessed or does more harm than good...as test of large doses of Vitamin E now suggests, I could be wrong, but I prefer 'real food sources'.[ of course, many sources are stripped of nutrients so you need to pay a bit more for quality produce]. I try to eat as many DIFFERENT types of food sources as possible....



I don't really eat processed food, fortunately I like to cook and I also like vegtables which makes life easy.

* the only other 'suppliment' is I take whey protein shake, to lower my need for animal sources of protein, and to assist my recovery from intense exercise - but that's a whole other topic. I guess I eat very roughly 80-100grams protein a day, about 60 grams fat, 200 grams of carbs...I dont' obsess over stuff like that. I did all that obsessing in my 20's and it didn't benefit me in any way I could measure.

Mark.

Edited by entropy, 22 August 2006 - 12:04 AM.