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#1 Rocketman

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Posted 03 December 2006 - 01:47 AM


INFO ON CANCER

1. Every person has cancer cells in the body. These cancer cells do not show up in the standard tests until they have multiplied to a few billion. When doctors tell cancer patients that there are no more cancer cells in their bodies after treatment, it just means the tests are unable to detect the cancer cells because they have not reached the detectable size.

2. Cancer cells occur between 6 to more than 10 times in a person's lifetime.

3. When the person's immune system is strong , the cancer cells will be destroyed and prevented from multiplying and forming tumors.

4. When a person has cancer it indicates the person has multiple nutritional deficiencies. These could be due to genetic, environmental, food and lifestyle factors.

5. To overcome the multiple nutritional deficiencies, changing diet and including supplements will strengthen the immune system.

6. Chemotherapy involves poisoning the rapidly-growing cancer cells and also destroys rapidly-growing healthy cells in the bone marrow, gastro-intestinal tract etc, and can cause organ damage, like liver, kidneys, heart, lungs etc.

7. Radiation while destroying cancer cells also burns, scars and damages healthy cells, tissues and organs.

8. Initial treatment with chemotherapy and radiation will often reduce tumor size. However prolonged use of chemotherapy and radiation do not result in more tumor destruction.

9. When the body has too much toxic burden from chemotherapy and radiation the immune system is either compromised or destroyed, hence the person can succumb to various kinds of infections and complications.

10. Chemotherapy and radiation can cause cancer cells to mutate and become resistant and difficult to destroy. Surgery can also cause cancer cells to spread to other sites.

11. An effective way to battle cancer is to starve the cancer cells by not feeding it with the foods it needs to multiply.

CANCER CELLS FEED ON:

a. Sugar. Sugar is a cancer-feeder. By cutting off sugar it cuts off one important food supply to the cancer cells. Sugar substitutes like NutraSweet, Equal, Spoonful, etc are made with Aspartame and it is harmful. A better natural substitute would be Manuka honey or molasses but only in very small amounts. Table salt has a chemical added to make it white in colour. Better alternative is Bragg's aminos or sea salt.

b. Milk causes the body to produce mucus, especially in the gastro-intestinal tract. Cancer feeds on mucus. By cutting off milk and substituting with unsweetened soya milk cancer cells are being starved.

c. Cancer cells thrive in an acid environment. A meat-based diet is acidic and it is best to eat fish, and a little chicken rather than beef or pork. Meat also contains livestock antibiotics, growth hormones and parasites, which are all harmful, especially to people with cancer.

d. A diet made of 80% fresh vegetables and juice, whole grains, seeds, nuts and a little fruits help put the body into an alkaline environment. About 20% can be from cooked food including beans. Fresh vegetable juices provide live enzymes that are easily absorbed and reach down to cellular levels within 15 minutes to nourish and enhance growth of healthy cells. To obtain live enzymes for building healthy cells try and drink fresh vegetable juice (most vegetables including bean sprouts) and eat some raw vegetables 2 or 3 times a day. Enzymes are destroyed at temperatures of 104 degrees F (40 degrees C).

e. Avoid coffee, tea, and chocolate, which have high caffeine. Green tea is a better alternative and has cancer-fighting properties. Water-best to drink purified water, or filtered, to avoid known toxins and heavy metals in tap water. Distilled water is acidic, avoid it.

12. Meat protein is difficult to digest and requires a lot of digestive enzymes. Undigested meat remaining in the intestines become putrefied and leads to more toxic buildup.

13. Cancer cell walls have a tough protein covering. By refraining from or eating less meat it frees more enzymes to attack the protein walls of cancer cells and allows the body's killer cells to destroy the cancer cells.

14. Some supplements build up the immune system (IP6, Flor-ssence,Essiac, anti-oxidants, vitamins, minerals, EFAs etc.) to enable the body's own killer cells to destroy cancer cells. Other supplements like vitamin E are known to cause apoptosis, or programmed cell death, the body's normal method of disposing of damaged, unwanted, or unneeded cells.

15. Cancer is a disease of the mind, body, and spirit. A proactive and positive spirit will help the cancer warrior be a survivor. Anger, unforgiveness and bitterness put the body into a stressful and acidic environment. Learn to have a loving and forgiving spirit. Learn to relax and enjoy life.

16. Cancer cells cannot thrive in an oxygenated environment. Exercising daily and deep breathing help to get more oxygen down to the cellular level. Oxygen therapy is another means employed to destroy cancer cells.

Note: STRESS causes the Immune system to weaken and breakdown and thus contributes greatly to the development of Cancer Cells in the body.

The best thing one can do to defend their bodies from Stress, strengthen the Immune system and prevent Cancer in the body is to practise proven techniques to reduce stress, such as Transcendental Meditation (www.tm.org) and use powerful, effective Anti-Oxidants, like Amrit Kalash ((http://mapi.com/en/1...8332/amrit.html) which destroys Free radicals Cancer cells.
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Posted 03 December 2006 - 06:58 AM

As I look at the ingredients for my Breakfast Burrito I see: Whole Eggs, Sausage, & 3 Cheeses. Yum! :D
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Posted 05 December 2006 - 01:44 PM

ROcketman, Your statements are bogus, hocus pocus, naive and hurtful to real people with real illness. You provide no scientific data. Information like yours will kill and harm innocent people. Thinking is a complicated process. Science is a very complicated process. Making statements like yours is NOT thinking and it is certainly not based in science. mm
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Posted 05 December 2006 - 02:15 PM

1. "Every person has cancer cells in the body."
Really? A new born baby? ANYBODY? Please provide the research data to back this up


3." When the person's immune system is strong , the cancer cells will be destroyed and prevented from multiplying and forming tumors."
Really? What defines a "strong immune system?" Please provide the biological refernce on this


4. "When a person has cancer it indicates the person has multiple nutritional deficiencies. These could be due to genetic, environmental, food and lifestyle factors."

Really? What nutrititional deficiency causes esophageal cancer? Breast Cancer? Basal Cancer of the cheek? Wilm's Tumors in infants? Gliobastoma is due to what nutritional deficiency?
Please provide the references for each of the known cancers and their "known" nutritional deficiency.


5. To overcome the multiple nutritional deficiencies, changing diet and including supplements will strengthen the immune system.

Really Please define a "strengthened immune system" and the reference that shows that diet change will aid in anyway at all.

6. Chemotherapy involves poisoning the rapidly-growing cancer cells and also destroys rapidly-growing healthy cells in the bone marrow, gastro-intestinal tract etc, and can cause organ damage, like liver, kidneys, heart, lungs etc.

This is true.

7. Radiation while destroying cancer cells also burns, scars and damages healthy cells, tissues and organs.

THis is true.

8. Initial treatment with chemotherapy and radiation will often reduce tumor size. However prolonged use of chemotherapy and radiation do not result in more tumor destruction.

This is false. Treatment regiments are based on treatment protocols. No one gets any more therapy than necessary. Some cancers are resistant to treatment. Others are diagnosed too late for treatments to be effective.

9. When the body has too much toxic burden from chemotherapy and radiation the immune system is either compromised or destroyed, hence the person can succumb to various kinds of infections and complications.

And these complications are expected, watched for and treated. Ultimately, the cancer free patient improves.

10. Chemotherapy and radiation can cause cancer cells to mutate and become resistant and difficult to destroy. Surgery can also cause cancer cells to spread to other sites.

Sort of true, but not really. Show the reference please.

11. An effective way to battle cancer is to starve the cancer cells by not feeding it with the foods it needs to multiply.

THis is pure bogus. Please provide the scientific, peer-reviewed articles from current standard of care.

CANCER CELLS FEED ON:

a. Sugar. "
Sugar is a cancer-feeder". WHat do you mean by sugar? The 6 carbon building block found in grains, carbohydrates, etc? All animal cells require "sugar" for metabolism. Withhold "sugar" (in the scientific sense} and you will starve to death.



b. Milk causes the body to produce mucus, especially in the gastro-intestinal tract. Cancer feeds on mucus. By cutting off milk and substituting with unsweetened soya milk cancer cells are being starved.

ANother bogus claim. Milk is a mammalian product produced by lactating mammal females to raise thier young. Once weaned there are no mammals that "need" milk. It is a product for infants. Mature mammals no longer carry adequate supplies of the lactase enzyme. It is a non issue except that it will make you fart if you drink too much.

c. Cancer cells thrive in an acid environment. A meat-based diet is acidic and it is best to eat fish, and a little chicken rather than beef or pork.

THis is bogus. Please provide the scientific evidence to back this up.

d. A diet made of 80% fresh vegetables and juice, whole grains, seeds, nuts and a little fruits help put the body into an alkaline environment. About 20% can be from cooked food including beans. Fresh vegetable juices provide live enzymes that are easily absorbed and reach down to cellular levels within 15 minutes to nourish and enhance growth of healthy cells. To obtain live enzymes for building healthy cells try and drink fresh vegetable juice (most vegetables including bean sprouts) and eat some raw vegetables 2 or 3 times a day. Enzymes are destroyed at temperatures of 104 degrees F (40 degrees C).

THis is all bogus. Know any vegetarians who get cancer? Why? Because they don't follow your cooking directions properly? SHow the scientific data to back up this fish tale....

e. Avoid coffee, tea, and chocolate, which have high caffeine. Green tea is a better alternative and has cancer-fighting properties. Water-best to drink purified water, or filtered, to avoid known toxins and heavy metals in tap water. Distilled water is acidic, avoid it.

All bogus. Know of anyone who got cancer from drinking coffee? Know anyone who got cancer who DID NOT drink coffee?

12. Meat protein is difficult to digest and requires a lot of digestive enzymes. Undigested meat remaining in the intestines become putrefied and leads to more toxic buildup.

Another health-food-store myth. Know any vegetarians who ever got sick? WHere is the data that shows "toxins" build up? What "toxins"? Can you measure them? Can you regulate them? Have they been shown to cause disease? In which set of scientific studies?

13. Cancer cell walls have a tough protein covering. By refraining from or eating less meat it frees more enzymes to attack the protein walls of cancer cells and allows the body's killer cells to destroy the cancer cells.

THis is pure hokum. Please refer us to the physiology text book that shows what you are talking about in #
13

14. Some supplements build up the immune system (IP6, Flor-ssence,Essiac, anti-oxidants, vitamins, minerals, EFAs etc.) to enable the body's own killer cells to destroy cancer cells. Other supplements like vitamin E are known to cause apoptosis, or programmed cell death, the body's normal method of disposing of damaged, unwanted, or unneeded cells.

Again, all unsubstantiated. Please provide references. (not testimonials from a fellow supplement-user). Real science. Like scientists use to back up theories.

15. Cancer is a disease of the mind, body, and spirit. A proactive and positive spirit will help the cancer warrior be a survivor. Anger, unforgiveness and bitterness put the body into a stressful and acidic environment. Learn to have a loving and forgiving spirit. Learn to relax and enjoy life.

TEll that to all my happy, charitable, delightful mothers-sisters-brothers- fathers infants-toddlers etc. who are dying from or being treated for cancer. What right have you to talk in such a condescending and guilt inducing way to a sick person?


16. Cancer cells cannot thrive in an oxygenated environment. Exercising daily and deep breathing help to get more oxygen down to the cellular level. Oxygen therapy is another means employed to destroy cancer cells.

Bogus, Bogus Bogus. True, if you suffocate your cancer will die along with you?

Note: STRESS causes the Immune system to weaken and breakdown and thus contributes greatly to the development of Cancer Cells in the body.

The best thing one can do to defend their bodies from Stress, strengthen the Immune system and prevent Cancer in the body is to practise proven techniques to reduce stress, such as Transcendental Meditation (www.tm.org) and use powerful, effective Anti-Oxidants, like Amrit Kalash ((http://mapi.com/en/1...8332/amrit.html) which destroys Free radicals Cancer cells.

Again, please provide the reference. Nice, sweet sounding wishful thinking. Albeit, false. Am open as always to research on your subjects. Until then, providing tid bits such as you have, is akin to lying. Malpractice and just bad form among fellow human beings.
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Posted 07 December 2006 - 01:12 PM

:) I am a 5yr surviver of cancer, so far. Have a daughter fighting cancer, so far a 2yr surviver of stage 4 small cell lung cancer. There are some Dr.s who believe they are GOD and there are some who believe in GOD. Below I have inserted my knowledge and feelings on the subject. I do not claim to know it all, nor do I claim that all is known by anyone. I do suggest you be a little more open to suggestions and current thinking. My comments to each statement is marked with a # sign. Best to you, mss 1. "Every person has cancer cells in the body." Really? A newborn baby? ANYBODY? Please provide the research data to back this up. # There is data that suggest this is true, AMA, Cancer Research 3." When the person's immune system is strong, the cancer cells will be destroyed and prevented from multiplying and forming tumors." Really? What defines a "strong immune system?" Please provide the biological reference on this # No comment. 4. "When a person has cancer it indicates the person has multiple nutritional deficiencies. These could be due to genetic, environmental, food and lifestyle factors." Really? What nutrititional deficiency causes esophageal cancer? Breast Cancer? Basal Cancer of the cheek? Wilm's Tumors in infants? Gliobastoma is due to what nutritional deficiency? Please provide the references for each of the known cancers and their "known" nutritional deficiency. # A general statement with some level of truth. You are a DR. and know that nutritional def. weaken the immune system. 5. To overcome the multiple nutritional deficiencies, changing diet and including supplements will strengthen the immune system. Really Please define a "strengthened immune system" and the reference that shows that diet change will aid in anyway at all. # Get real Dr., you know this has some truth to it. 6. Chemotherapy involves poisoning the rapidly-growing cancer cells and also destroys rapidly-growing healthy cells in the bone marrow, gastro-intestinal tract etc, and can cause organ damage, like liver, kidneys, heart, lungs etc. This is true. 7. Radiation while destroying cancer cells also burns, scars and damages healthy cells, tissues and organs. This is true. 8. Initial treatment with chemotherapy and radiation will often reduce tumor size. However prolonged use of chemotherapy and radiation do not result in more tumor destruction. This is false. Treatment regiments are based on treatment protocols. No one gets any more therapy than necessary. Some cancers are resistant to treatment. Others are diagnosed too late for treatments to be effective. # Now here is where you need to provide the proof. 9. When the body has too much toxic burden from chemotherapy and radiation the immune system is either compromised or destroyed, hence the person can succumb to various kinds of infections and complications. And these complications are expected, watched for and treated. Ultimately, the cancer free patient improves. # True 10. Chemotherapy and radiation can cause cancer cells to mutate and become resistant and difficult to destroy. Surgery can also cause cancer cells to spread to other sites. Sort of true, but not really. Show the reference please. # The word “can” makes this a true statement. 11. An effective way to battle cancer is to starve the cancer cells by not feeding it with the foods it needs to multiply. This is pure bogus. Please provide the scientific, peer-reviewed articles from current standard of care. CANCER CELLS FEED ON: a. Sugar. "Sugar is a cancer-feeder". What do you mean by sugar? The 6-carbon building block found in grains, carbohydrates, etc? All animal cells require "sugar" for metabolism. Withhold "sugar" (in the scientific sense} and you will starve to death. # OK Dr. use a little understanding and update yourself. Sugar not good for cancer is the granular kind and there is so much data on this all you need to do is look it up ANYWHERE. b. Milk causes the body to produce mucus, especially in the gastro-intestinal tract. Cancer feeds on mucus. By cutting off milk and substituting with unsweetened Soya milk cancer cells are being starved. Another bogus claim. Milk is a mammalian product produced by lactating mammal females to raise their young. Once weaned there are no mammals that "need" milk. It is a product for infants. Mature mammals no longer carry adequate supplies of the lactase enzyme. It is a non-issue except that it will make you fart if you drink too much. # You need to review current research on this subject. I trust that you will. c. Cancer cells thrive in an acid environment. A meat-based diet is acidic and it is best to eat fish, and a little chicken rather than beef or pork. This is bogus. Please provide the scientific evidence to back this up. # In fact some studies strongly suggest you eat red meat and lots of beans for protein. d. A diet made of 80% fresh vegetables and juice, whole grains, seeds, nuts and a little fruits help put the body into an alkaline environment. About 20% can be from cooked food including beans. Fresh vegetable juices provide live enzymes that are easily absorbed and reach down to cellular levels within 15 minutes to nourish and enhance growth of healthy cells. To obtain live enzymes for building healthy cells try and drink fresh vegetable juice (most vegetables including bean sprouts) and eat some raw vegetables 2 or 3 times a day. Enzymes are destroyed at temperatures of 104 degrees F (40 degrees C). This is all bogus. Know any vegetarians who get cancer? Why? Because they don't follow your cooking directions properly? Show the scientific data to back up this fish tale.... # Just a common healthy statement, but by it’s self a dangerous protocol. e. Avoid coffee, tea, and chocolate, which have high caffeine. Green tea is a better alternative and has cancer-fighting properties. Water-best to drink purified water, or filtered, to avoid known toxins and heavy metals in tap water. Distilled water is acidic, avoid it. All bogus. Know of anyone who got cancer from drinking coffee? Know anyone who got cancer who DID NOT drink coffee? # While on chemo, good Dr.s recommend drink Lots of liquids, just not alcohol. 12. Meat protein is difficult to digest and requires a lot of digestive enzymes. Undigested meat remaining in the intestines become putrefied and leads to more toxic buildup. Another health-food-store myth. Know any vegetarians who ever got sick? Where is the data that shows "toxins" build up? What "toxins"? Can you measure them? Can you regulate them? Have they been shown to cause disease? In which set of scientific studies? # No comment. 13. Cancer cell walls have a tough protein covering. By refraining from or eating less meat it frees more enzymes to attack the protein walls of cancer cells and allows the body's killer cells to destroy the cancer cells. This is pure hokum. Please refer us to the physiology textbook that shows what you are talking about in 13 above. # No comment. 14. Some supplements build up the immune system (IP6, Flor-ssence,Essiac, anti-oxidants, vitamins, minerals, EFAs etc.) to enable the body's own killer cells to destroy cancer cells. Other supplements like vitamin E are known to cause apoptosis, or programmed cell death, the body's normal method of disposing of damaged, unwanted, or unneeded cells. Again, all unsubstantiated. Please provide references. (not testimonials from a fellow supplement-user). Real science. Like scientists use to back up theories. # Sometimes this is dangerous to the person on chemo. 15. Cancer is a disease of the mind, body, and spirit. A proactive and positive spirit will help the cancer warrior be a survivor. Anger, unforgiveness and bitterness put the body into a stressful and acidic environment. Learn to have a loving and forgiving spirit. Learn to relax and enjoy life. Tell that to all my happy, charitable, delightful mothers-sisters-brothers- fathers infants-toddlers etc. who are dying from or being treated for cancer. What right have you to talk in such a condescending and guilt inducing way to a sick person? # “Cancer is a disease. A proactive and positive spirit will help the cancer warrior be a survivor.” This statement reworded does have a very positive effect on the person’s chance of surviving. 16. Cancer cells cannot thrive in an oxygenated environment. Exercising daily and deep breathing help to get more oxygen down to the cellular level. Oxygen therapy is another means employed to destroy cancer cells. Bogus, Bogus Bogus. True, if you suffocate your cancer will die along with you? # Well Dr. on this one you are very wrong. There are several studies underway at Mayo, Atlanta Cancer center, Duke, putting some types of cancer patients on oxygen. A specific study on “small cell” lung cancer has the person sleeping with oxygen. Results are still pending but promising. Note: STRESS causes the Immune system to weaken and breakdown and thus contributes greatly to the development of Cancer Cells in the body. The best thing one can do to defend their bodies from Stress, strengthen the Immune system and prevent Cancer in the body is to practice proven techniques to reduce stress, such as Transcendental Meditation (www.tm.org) and use powerful, effective Anti-Oxidants, like Amrit Kalash ((http://mapi.com/en/1...8332/amrit.html) which destroys Free radicals Cancer cells. Again, please provide the reference. Nice, sweet sounding wishful thinking. Albeit, false. Am open as always to research on your subjects. Until then, providing tad bits such as you have, is akin to lying. Malpractice and just bad form among fellow human beings.

Edited by mss, 07 December 2006 - 01:15 PM.

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#6 calmcookie

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Posted 07 December 2006 - 02:06 PM

I'd love to write a great deal here, but think I already have.

In the health game, everyone is a little bit right (except me, I am ALL right). :lol: :D :lol:

The best book I know about how to keep a balanced and healthy body ... and the one with the most sensible approach to avoiding chronic illness is "Enter the Zone" by Dr. Barry Sears (also supported by (among other credible scientists) Dr. Walter Willett PhD, MD ... head of Nutrition at Harvard Medical School.

Of course, Feed Your Need (gee, I wonder who wrote that???) is also a superb reference, and much easier to read than the ZONE ... it gives you the practical nuts and bolts of the approach .... NOW that's all I'll say. ;)

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#7 maineman

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Posted 08 December 2006 - 12:44 AM

In the past few weeks I've diagnosed colon cancer - 1 case, prostate cancer 2 cases, and chronic lymphocytic leukemia 2 cases. They are all going to live long and healthy lives. They are going to get fabulous treatements, including radiation therapy, hormone therapy and chemotherapy. They will live and watch their kids grow up. They will not be disabled. They will lead productive and full lives. I will NOT tell them that their cancer was due to a "diseased mind" I will NOT tell them that they should have been eating such and such a way or cooking such and such a way...etc. I will continue to praise them for gettting regular check ups so we could detect the disease early. I will continue to provide strong emotional support during the tough times of a new diagnosis and treatment. They will get as much of my time and attention as they need. They will have all of thier questions answered, with honest, truthful and scientific answers. They will know not to be hoodwinked with nutty, useless and expensive bogus therapies that feed off of unsuspecting folks who are at their most vulnerable. They will have access to all of the other thriving survivors I've diagnosed, treated and helped along for the past 20+ years. When they are cured, they'll be free to eat donuts or wheat grass or wild Buffalo knuckles.... whatever! But they'll be alive... and if they want to follow some wacky diet book that's up to them. But until then, let's hope they stick with the program and L I V E... mm
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Posted 09 December 2006 - 10:22 PM

http://www.lef.org/d..._2006_jul.htm#8

Vitamin D Dosage and Cancer Chemoprevention

A new paper1 in the Journal of the National Cancer Institute performs an analysis of cancer risk in the Health Professionals Follow-Up Study of 51,529 male subjects and multiple sources of vitamin D (including sun exposure, dietary and supplemental vitamin D, skin pigmentation, adiposity (“Higher body mass index or obesity has usually been associated with substantially lower blood concentrations of 25(OH)D, probably as a result of decreased bioavailability of 25(OH)D because of its deposition in body fat compartments”1), geographic residence (lower sun exposure in northern latitudes), and leisure-time physical activity. The researchers updated nondietary vitamin D exposures every 2 years and dietary information every 4 years from 1986 to 2000.

They found that the absolute annual rate of total cancer was 758 per 100,000 men in the lowest decile (lowest 10%) of predicted vitamin D (estimated from analysis of the above factors) and 674 per 100,000 men in the highest decile. Cancer mortality was 326 per 100,000 in the lowest decile compared to 277 per 100,000 in the highest decile. Digestive-system cancer mortality was reduced from 128 to 78 per 100,000 in the lowest compared to the highest decile. An increment of 25 nmol/L of vitamin D was associated with a 17% reduction in total cancer incidence and a 29% reduction in total cancer mortality, as well as a 45% reduction in digestive-system cancer mortality.

The authors conclude that “Low levels of vitamin D may be associated with increased cancer incidence and mortality in men, particularly for digestive-system cancers. The vitamin D supplementation necessary to achieve a 25(OH)D increment of 25 nmol/L may be at least 1500 IU/day.” [Emphasis added]

In the editorial accompanying the above paper,2 the authors state that “… the present recommended allowance for vitamin D—400 IU—for individuals aged 50–70 years is inadequate even to maintain skeletal health and is probably too low for meaningful anticancer effects. A dose of 400 IU of vitamin D3 will raise serum levels of 25(OH)D3 only modestly, by about 7 nmol/L or less than 3 ng/mL. The use of this low dose, in conjunction with the relatively short duration of the trial, may explain the recent failure of vitamin D to reduce the incidence of colorectal cancer in the Women’s Health Initiative.”

References

1. Giovannucci et al. Prospective study of predictors of vitamin D status and cancer incidence and mortality in men. J Natl Cancer Inst 98(7):451-9 (2006).
2. Schwartz and Blot. Vitamin D status and cancer incidence and mortality: something new under the sun. J Natl Cancer Inst 98(7):428-9 (2006).


Correlation is not causation, but is this information completeley useless??




Here's my cancer post from 9/4/2006:

http://www.traders-t...showtopic=58876

It has 93 references. Here are the qualifications of the authors:


Dr. Bruce N. Ames is a Professor of Biochemistry and Molecular Biology and Director of the National Institute of Environmental Health Sciences Center, University of California, Berkeley. He is a member of the National Academy of Sciences and was on their Commission on Life Sciences. He was a member of the National Cancer Advisory Board of the National Cancer Institute (1976-82). His many awards include: the General Motors Cancer Research Foundation Prize (1983), the Tyler Prize for environmental achievement (1985), the Gold Medal Award of the American Institute of Chemists (1991), the Glenn Foundation Award of the Gerontological Society of America (1992), the Lovelace Institutes Award for Excellence in Environmental Health Research (1995), the Honda Foundation Prize for Ecotoxicology (1996) and the Japan Prize (1997). His 400+ publications have resulted in his being the 23rd most-cited scientist (in all fields) (1973-84). BNAmes@UCLink4.Berkeley.edu

Dr. Lois Swirsky Gold is Director of the Carcinogenic Potency Project at the National Institute of Environmental Health Sciences Center, University of California, Berkeley, and a Senior Scientist at the Berkeley National Laboratory 94720. She has published 85 papers on analyses of animal cancer tests and implications for cancer prevention, interspecies extrapolation and regulatory policy. The Carcinogenic Potency Database (CPDB), published as a CRC handbook, analyzes results of 5000 chronic, long-term cancer tests on 1300 chemicals. Dr. Gold has served on the Panel of Expert Reviewers for the National Toxicology Program, the Boards of the Harvard Center for Risk Analysis and the Annapolis Center, and was a member of the Harvard Risk Management Group. Lois@potency.Berkeley.edu
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Posted 10 December 2006 - 05:20 AM

1. "Every person has cancer cells in the body."
Really? A new born baby? ANYBODY? Please provide the research data to back this up


3." When the person's immune system is strong , the cancer cells will be destroyed and prevented from multiplying and forming tumors."
Really? What defines a "strong immune system?" Please provide the biological refernce on this


4. "When a person has cancer it indicates the person has multiple nutritional deficiencies. These could be due to genetic, environmental, food and lifestyle factors."

Really? What nutrititional deficiency causes esophageal cancer? Breast Cancer? Basal Cancer of the cheek? Wilm's Tumors in infants? Gliobastoma is due to what nutritional deficiency?
Please provide the references for each of the known cancers and their "known" nutritional deficiency.


5. To overcome the multiple nutritional deficiencies, changing diet and including supplements will strengthen the immune system.

Really Please define a "strengthened immune system" and the reference that shows that diet change will aid in anyway at all.

6. Chemotherapy involves poisoning the rapidly-growing cancer cells and also destroys rapidly-growing healthy cells in the bone marrow, gastro-intestinal tract etc, and can cause organ damage, like liver, kidneys, heart, lungs etc.

This is true.

7. Radiation while destroying cancer cells also burns, scars and damages healthy cells, tissues and organs.

THis is true.

8. Initial treatment with chemotherapy and radiation will often reduce tumor size. However prolonged use of chemotherapy and radiation do not result in more tumor destruction.

This is false. Treatment regiments are based on treatment protocols. No one gets any more therapy than necessary. Some cancers are resistant to treatment. Others are diagnosed too late for treatments to be effective.

9. When the body has too much toxic burden from chemotherapy and radiation the immune system is either compromised or destroyed, hence the person can succumb to various kinds of infections and complications.

And these complications are expected, watched for and treated. Ultimately, the cancer free patient improves.

10. Chemotherapy and radiation can cause cancer cells to mutate and become resistant and difficult to destroy. Surgery can also cause cancer cells to spread to other sites.

Sort of true, but not really. Show the reference please.

11. An effective way to battle cancer is to starve the cancer cells by not feeding it with the foods it needs to multiply.

THis is pure bogus. Please provide the scientific, peer-reviewed articles from current standard of care.

CANCER CELLS FEED ON:

a. Sugar. "
Sugar is a cancer-feeder". WHat do you mean by sugar? The 6 carbon building block found in grains, carbohydrates, etc? All animal cells require "sugar" for metabolism. Withhold "sugar" (in the scientific sense} and you will starve to death.



b. Milk causes the body to produce mucus, especially in the gastro-intestinal tract. Cancer feeds on mucus. By cutting off milk and substituting with unsweetened soya milk cancer cells are being starved.

ANother bogus claim. Milk is a mammalian product produced by lactating mammal females to raise thier young. Once weaned there are no mammals that "need" milk. It is a product for infants. Mature mammals no longer carry adequate supplies of the lactase enzyme. It is a non issue except that it will make you fart if you drink too much.

c. Cancer cells thrive in an acid environment. A meat-based diet is acidic and it is best to eat fish, and a little chicken rather than beef or pork.

THis is bogus. Please provide the scientific evidence to back this up.

d. A diet made of 80% fresh vegetables and juice, whole grains, seeds, nuts and a little fruits help put the body into an alkaline environment. About 20% can be from cooked food including beans. Fresh vegetable juices provide live enzymes that are easily absorbed and reach down to cellular levels within 15 minutes to nourish and enhance growth of healthy cells. To obtain live enzymes for building healthy cells try and drink fresh vegetable juice (most vegetables including bean sprouts) and eat some raw vegetables 2 or 3 times a day. Enzymes are destroyed at temperatures of 104 degrees F (40 degrees C).

THis is all bogus. Know any vegetarians who get cancer? Why? Because they don't follow your cooking directions properly? SHow the scientific data to back up this fish tale....

e. Avoid coffee, tea, and chocolate, which have high caffeine. Green tea is a better alternative and has cancer-fighting properties. Water-best to drink purified water, or filtered, to avoid known toxins and heavy metals in tap water. Distilled water is acidic, avoid it.

All bogus. Know of anyone who got cancer from drinking coffee? Know anyone who got cancer who DID NOT drink coffee?

12. Meat protein is difficult to digest and requires a lot of digestive enzymes. Undigested meat remaining in the intestines become putrefied and leads to more toxic buildup.

Another health-food-store myth. Know any vegetarians who ever got sick? WHere is the data that shows "toxins" build up? What "toxins"? Can you measure them? Can you regulate them? Have they been shown to cause disease? In which set of scientific studies?

13. Cancer cell walls have a tough protein covering. By refraining from or eating less meat it frees more enzymes to attack the protein walls of cancer cells and allows the body's killer cells to destroy the cancer cells.

THis is pure hokum. Please refer us to the physiology text book that shows what you are talking about in #
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14. Some supplements build up the immune system (IP6, Flor-ssence,Essiac, anti-oxidants, vitamins, minerals, EFAs etc.) to enable the body's own killer cells to destroy cancer cells. Other supplements like vitamin E are known to cause apoptosis, or programmed cell death, the body's normal method of disposing of damaged, unwanted, or unneeded cells.

Again, all unsubstantiated. Please provide references. (not testimonials from a fellow supplement-user). Real science. Like scientists use to back up theories.

15. Cancer is a disease of the mind, body, and spirit. A proactive and positive spirit will help the cancer warrior be a survivor. Anger, unforgiveness and bitterness put the body into a stressful and acidic environment. Learn to have a loving and forgiving spirit. Learn to relax and enjoy life.

TEll that to all my happy, charitable, delightful mothers-sisters-brothers- fathers infants-toddlers etc. who are dying from or being treated for cancer. What right have you to talk in such a condescending and guilt inducing way to a sick person?


16. Cancer cells cannot thrive in an oxygenated environment. Exercising daily and deep breathing help to get more oxygen down to the cellular level. Oxygen therapy is another means employed to destroy cancer cells.

Bogus, Bogus Bogus. True, if you suffocate your cancer will die along with you?

Note: STRESS causes the Immune system to weaken and breakdown and thus contributes greatly to the development of Cancer Cells in the body.

The best thing one can do to defend their bodies from Stress, strengthen the Immune system and prevent Cancer in the body is to practise proven techniques to reduce stress, such as Transcendental Meditation (www.tm.org) and use powerful, effective Anti-Oxidants, like Amrit Kalash ((http://mapi.com/en/1...8332/amrit.html) which destroys Free radicals Cancer cells.

Again, please provide the reference. Nice, sweet sounding wishful thinking. Albeit, false. Am open as always to research on your subjects. Until then, providing tid bits such as you have, is akin to lying. Malpractice and just bad form among fellow human beings.
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You might be a great trader but Id venture to say the most you know about diet, exercise, and nutrition is the Food Guide Pyramid. Anyone with a good understanding of all aspects and practices it themselves can see your ignorance plastered all over your post.

Dismissing something as bogus without proving why yourself is clownish, regardless of the subject.

Read a few books of the hundreds available rather than demanding someone prove a complicated issue that you really don't care enough about to learn yourself.

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Posted 10 December 2006 - 09:20 AM

Dear endisnear .... For what it's worth ... I'm really beginning to like your posts. :)

Edited by calmcookie, 10 December 2006 - 09:22 AM.