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#11 maineman

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Posted 10 December 2006 - 08:18 PM

1. "Every person has cancer cells in the body."
Really? A new born baby? ANYBODY? Please provide the research data to back this up


3." When the person's immune system is strong , the cancer cells will be destroyed and prevented from multiplying and forming tumors."
Really? What defines a "strong immune system?" Please provide the biological refernce on this


4. "When a person has cancer it indicates the person has multiple nutritional deficiencies. These could be due to genetic, environmental, food and lifestyle factors."

Really? What nutrititional deficiency causes esophageal cancer? Breast Cancer? Basal Cancer of the cheek? Wilm's Tumors in infants? Gliobastoma is due to what nutritional deficiency?
Please provide the references for each of the known cancers and their "known" nutritional deficiency.


5. To overcome the multiple nutritional deficiencies, changing diet and including supplements will strengthen the immune system.

Really Please define a "strengthened immune system" and the reference that shows that diet change will aid in anyway at all.

6. Chemotherapy involves poisoning the rapidly-growing cancer cells and also destroys rapidly-growing healthy cells in the bone marrow, gastro-intestinal tract etc, and can cause organ damage, like liver, kidneys, heart, lungs etc.

This is true.

7. Radiation while destroying cancer cells also burns, scars and damages healthy cells, tissues and organs.

THis is true.

8. Initial treatment with chemotherapy and radiation will often reduce tumor size. However prolonged use of chemotherapy and radiation do not result in more tumor destruction.

This is false. Treatment regiments are based on treatment protocols. No one gets any more therapy than necessary. Some cancers are resistant to treatment. Others are diagnosed too late for treatments to be effective.

9. When the body has too much toxic burden from chemotherapy and radiation the immune system is either compromised or destroyed, hence the person can succumb to various kinds of infections and complications.

And these complications are expected, watched for and treated. Ultimately, the cancer free patient improves.

10. Chemotherapy and radiation can cause cancer cells to mutate and become resistant and difficult to destroy. Surgery can also cause cancer cells to spread to other sites.

Sort of true, but not really. Show the reference please.

11. An effective way to battle cancer is to starve the cancer cells by not feeding it with the foods it needs to multiply.

THis is pure bogus. Please provide the scientific, peer-reviewed articles from current standard of care.

CANCER CELLS FEED ON:

a. Sugar. "
Sugar is a cancer-feeder". WHat do you mean by sugar? The 6 carbon building block found in grains, carbohydrates, etc? All animal cells require "sugar" for metabolism. Withhold "sugar" (in the scientific sense} and you will starve to death.



b. Milk causes the body to produce mucus, especially in the gastro-intestinal tract. Cancer feeds on mucus. By cutting off milk and substituting with unsweetened soya milk cancer cells are being starved.

ANother bogus claim. Milk is a mammalian product produced by lactating mammal females to raise thier young. Once weaned there are no mammals that "need" milk. It is a product for infants. Mature mammals no longer carry adequate supplies of the lactase enzyme. It is a non issue except that it will make you fart if you drink too much.

c. Cancer cells thrive in an acid environment. A meat-based diet is acidic and it is best to eat fish, and a little chicken rather than beef or pork.

THis is bogus. Please provide the scientific evidence to back this up.

d. A diet made of 80% fresh vegetables and juice, whole grains, seeds, nuts and a little fruits help put the body into an alkaline environment. About 20% can be from cooked food including beans. Fresh vegetable juices provide live enzymes that are easily absorbed and reach down to cellular levels within 15 minutes to nourish and enhance growth of healthy cells. To obtain live enzymes for building healthy cells try and drink fresh vegetable juice (most vegetables including bean sprouts) and eat some raw vegetables 2 or 3 times a day. Enzymes are destroyed at temperatures of 104 degrees F (40 degrees C).

THis is all bogus. Know any vegetarians who get cancer? Why? Because they don't follow your cooking directions properly? SHow the scientific data to back up this fish tale....

e. Avoid coffee, tea, and chocolate, which have high caffeine. Green tea is a better alternative and has cancer-fighting properties. Water-best to drink purified water, or filtered, to avoid known toxins and heavy metals in tap water. Distilled water is acidic, avoid it.

All bogus. Know of anyone who got cancer from drinking coffee? Know anyone who got cancer who DID NOT drink coffee?

12. Meat protein is difficult to digest and requires a lot of digestive enzymes. Undigested meat remaining in the intestines become putrefied and leads to more toxic buildup.

Another health-food-store myth. Know any vegetarians who ever got sick? WHere is the data that shows "toxins" build up? What "toxins"? Can you measure them? Can you regulate them? Have they been shown to cause disease? In which set of scientific studies?

13. Cancer cell walls have a tough protein covering. By refraining from or eating less meat it frees more enzymes to attack the protein walls of cancer cells and allows the body's killer cells to destroy the cancer cells.

THis is pure hokum. Please refer us to the physiology text book that shows what you are talking about in #
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14. Some supplements build up the immune system (IP6, Flor-ssence,Essiac, anti-oxidants, vitamins, minerals, EFAs etc.) to enable the body's own killer cells to destroy cancer cells. Other supplements like vitamin E are known to cause apoptosis, or programmed cell death, the body's normal method of disposing of damaged, unwanted, or unneeded cells.

Again, all unsubstantiated. Please provide references. (not testimonials from a fellow supplement-user). Real science. Like scientists use to back up theories.

15. Cancer is a disease of the mind, body, and spirit. A proactive and positive spirit will help the cancer warrior be a survivor. Anger, unforgiveness and bitterness put the body into a stressful and acidic environment. Learn to have a loving and forgiving spirit. Learn to relax and enjoy life.

TEll that to all my happy, charitable, delightful mothers-sisters-brothers- fathers infants-toddlers etc. who are dying from or being treated for cancer. What right have you to talk in such a condescending and guilt inducing way to a sick person?


16. Cancer cells cannot thrive in an oxygenated environment. Exercising daily and deep breathing help to get more oxygen down to the cellular level. Oxygen therapy is another means employed to destroy cancer cells.

Bogus, Bogus Bogus. True, if you suffocate your cancer will die along with you?

Note: STRESS causes the Immune system to weaken and breakdown and thus contributes greatly to the development of Cancer Cells in the body.

The best thing one can do to defend their bodies from Stress, strengthen the Immune system and prevent Cancer in the body is to practise proven techniques to reduce stress, such as Transcendental Meditation (www.tm.org) and use powerful, effective Anti-Oxidants, like Amrit Kalash ((http://mapi.com/en/1...8332/amrit.html) which destroys Free radicals Cancer cells.

Again, please provide the reference. Nice, sweet sounding wishful thinking. Albeit, false. Am open as always to research on your subjects. Until then, providing tid bits such as you have, is akin to lying. Malpractice and just bad form among fellow human beings.
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You might be a great trader but Id venture to say the most you know about diet, exercise, and nutrition is the Food Guide Pyramid. Anyone with a good understanding of all aspects and practices it themselves can see your ignorance plastered all over your post.

Dismissing something as bogus without proving why yourself is clownish, regardless of the subject.

Read a few books of the hundreds available rather than demanding someone prove a complicated issue that you really don't care enough about to learn yourself.






Dear Endisnear (and others),



After getting my undergraduate degree in Biology at a top East Coast College and doing work which I published in Cell Biology, I was asked to do research at the Rockefeller Institute in Manhattan, in the laboratory studying nutrition and obesity at the molecular level. From there I went to one of the best New York City Medical Schools, and onto a top-notch University Internal Medicine Residency. I've been a practicing Internal Medicine physician since passing the American Board of Internal Medicine in 1986, and served for 7 years as Chief of Medicine at a major hospital.



I've read (and written) a few books :)



Nice to drop by this board and get hounded and razzed....sure must be nice to be so smart on the subject of human nutrition and it's effect on cancer. Please, educate us all some more. Better yet, please enlighten some people out there quickly before any of them get cancer which many of you are claiming to prevent.



I am sorry if some of you don't like me to challenge your dogma and rhetoric on your homespun nutrition fantasies.



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#12 calmcookie

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Posted 10 December 2006 - 08:24 PM

Mainman, You say you've written "a few books." Please provide the titles.

Edited by calmcookie, 10 December 2006 - 08:25 PM.