Edited by calmcookie, 19 April 2007 - 01:15 PM.
Virginia Tech Insanity - Depression and the unspoken connection
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Posted 19 April 2007 - 01:11 PM
#2
Posted 19 April 2007 - 03:23 PM
It's well known that the Virginia Tech shooter was deeply depressed and crazed with anger.
He had a sick sick mind and such a mind cannot dwell in a healthy body. The link is undeniable.
Any credible nutritionist will tell you that there is a clear connection between clinical depression
and food intake. Just as there is between drug abuse and nutrition. Most people who are depressed, simply turn their anger inward and may also turn to alcohol or other drugs. But some, like the VT shooter turn their rage upon innocent victims. Depression exists along a continuum ... with a mere lousy mood at one end and insanity at the other.
But no newspaper or media program will ever touch on the connection between depression and dietary intake. They will talk about the killer, interspersed with pizza, cola and oreo cookie ads.
Okay, I'm not saying that an oreo cookie caused the VT shooting .... but the habitual consumption, day after day, week after week and year after year of non food items, can and DOES contribute to serious depression and mental illness.
I commend you for looking at the causes of crime, that is what is missing largely from our criminal justice system for it to be more effective.
But, in this case, it is hard to blame nutrition as the main cause. I am sure you are correct that nutrition plays 'a part', but main cause here is America's insane love affair with guns, that no other first world nation can fathom It really is as simple as it appear, if people don't have access to guns, they can't massacre people, like they rarely do in Europe, or Australia, that is the REAL issue the media won't touch except for with kid gloves.
The facts SHOULD speak for themselves, here are worldwide figure's of gun deaths per 100,000 or population ( therefore accounting for population size) -
Source: Table A10
http://forums.menshe...71/m/9641062662
I've selected larger nations of equalivant economic/social development
Country......Population.......Murder Rate(per 100,000)....Total
USA.............300Mil ............. 11.3 ............................ 30,400
UK............... 60M ............... 0.3.................................200
Germany......80M.................. 1.5 ..............................1200
France.........60M................... 5 ................................2600
Canada.......30M ..................3.4................................1000
Australia ......20M .................1.8 ...............................330
I say *should* speak for themselves, but after years of reading the so called counter arguments to these facts(and others), I realize as usual logic is powerless in the face of emotional hyperbole as constitutes the majority of society 'debate', unfortunately the quality of a democracy is only as high as the collective reasoning of its population.
I will not remember the shooters name, nor look at any of his published photos ... for I will not do the very thing he would have wanted.
Peace to all.
C.C.
My belief based on available facts, is this person was mentally ill, what 'he wanted' was based on a malfunction brain. Bad enough that anyone has access to guns, but allowing the mentally ill access to guns, well, who is to blame for the result? would you give guns to a child? no, because you know their brain cannot reason well enough, same here....oh wait, children do get access to guns, and frequently.
The only contribution any of us can make to this is to understand what can be done to prevent more innocent people dieing. That goes back to where you started, understanding CAUSES, and PREVENTION. But that's hard work, it means challenging our preconceived ideas, and our emoitional reactions for blame and vengeance.
Like anything in life, things don't get better unless people learn from mistakes, and understand causes and inact prevention. Instead we get the easy and destructive response of reacting to demonize people, throw our hands skyward and hope some higher power will solve our problems or justify our destructive urges, then usually reacting kneejerk emotionally and compounding the problem, such as most wars.
Here is a list of the previous chances to learn and change regarding murders in US schools -
http://news.bbc.co.u...cas/4371403.stm
April 2007: At least 32 people are killed in two shooting incidents in the campus of Virginia Tech university in Virginia.
October 2006: A 32-year-old gunman shoots dead at least five girls at an Amish school in Pennsylvania, before killing himself
September 2006: Gunman in Colorado shoots and fatally wounds a teenage schoolgirl, then kills himself; two days later a teenager kills the headteacher of a school in Cazenovia, Wisconsin
November 2005: Student in Tennessee shoots dead an assistant principal and wounds two other administrators
March 2005: Minnesota schoolboy kills nine, then shoots himself
May 2004: Four people injured in shooting at a school in Maryland
April 2003: Teenager shoots dead head-teacher at a Pennsylvania school, then kills himself
March 2001: Pupil opens fire at a school in California, killing two students
February 2000: Six-year-old girl shot dead by classmate in Michigan
November 1999: Thirteen-year-old girl shot dead by a classmate in New Mexico
May 1999: Student injures six pupils in shoot-out in Georgia
April 1999: Two teenagers shoot dead 12 students and a teacher before killing themselves at Columbine School in Colorado
June 1998: Two adults hurt in shooting by teenage student at high school in Virginia
May 1998: Fifteen-year-old boy shoots himself in the head after taking a girl hostage
May 1998: Fifteen-year-old shoots dead two students in school cafeteria in Oregon
April 1998: Fourteen-year-old shoots dead a teacher and wounds two students in Pennsylvania
March 1998: Two boys, 11 and 13, kill four girls and a teacher in Arkansas
December 1997: Fourteen-year-old boy kills three students in Kentucky October 1997: Sixteen-year-old boy stabs mother, then shoots dead two students at school in Mississippi, injuring several others
Mark
Edited by entropy, 19 April 2007 - 03:30 PM.
#3
Posted 19 April 2007 - 05:37 PM
Edited by calmcookie, 19 April 2007 - 05:39 PM.
#4
Posted 19 April 2007 - 06:28 PM
Maybe in 100 years,....when primitive corporate America evolves.When will corpoate America spend their billions on healing the minds and bodies of our population?
Maybe then they will have taken us from primitive Fast Food(usually something fried withing 120 seconds) onto
something of more quality that will be demanded by customers with extended life expectations.
As e points to the numbers your point is still valid,..as NOW we are probably NOT the best fed country
as we've moved to extremes in Fast Food while the rest of the world has better than ever access to Natural Foods.
They are now eating more like the oldest Americans living, and NOT anything like young Americans.
I mean my own daughter only wants to drink Coke and eat Cheese and Bread,, its either pizza,
cheeseburgers, Fried chicken fingers, or grilled Cheese sandwiches. Not to mention all the synthetic snacks in a bag
conveniently found in what I call the cupboard of death.
Out of my control for sure, more of her mothers influences, but unless I take her out for a good Steak which
she also loves, her nutritional intake is pathetic,... heck even with the steak
thanks for sharing
Edited by Mr Dev, 19 April 2007 - 06:34 PM.
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#5
Posted 19 April 2007 - 10:38 PM
Edited by Rogerdodger, 19 April 2007 - 10:52 PM.
BIGGEST SCIENCE SCANDAL EVER...Official records systematically 'adjusted'.
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Posted 20 April 2007 - 12:20 PM
#7
Posted 20 April 2007 - 12:47 PM
Edited by Rogerdodger, 20 April 2007 - 12:57 PM.
BIGGEST SCIENCE SCANDAL EVER...Official records systematically 'adjusted'.
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Posted 20 April 2007 - 01:00 PM
#9
Posted 20 April 2007 - 04:29 PM
How sad that there are some who would trivialize these horrble deaths with rhetoric and gibberish.
No, its not about nutrition.
No, its not about "gun control"
No, its not about "video games"
etc. etc.
This was a menally ill person. Psychotic depression, probably schizophrenia. Period. These patients are extremely difficult to treat, they generally roam the streets, leave clinics, break up happy homes, etc. As a society we are unwilling to "institutionalize" them. Not sure if this is right or wrong, but it is a decision we reached in the sixties, when we discovered too many people had been simply "locked up".
By the way, show me a "society" that "eats right" and has no violence in the culture?
What were the German/Nazis eating?
What were Cortez's men eating when they massacred the Aztecs?
What was Ghengis Khan eating?
etc. Or what "video games" were they watching.
mm
The Holocaust survivor refused to remain passive.
What's the English Department's official frontpage reaction to the murder of thirty-two students just a few days ago? Here it is.
"We do not understand this tragedy
We know we did nothing to deserve it
But neither does a child in Africa
Dying of AIDS
Neither does the baby elephant watching his community
Be devastated for ivory
... Neither does the Mexican child looking
For fresh water
... Neither does the Appalachian infant killed
By a boulder
Dislodged
Because the land was destabilized"
Defenders of the status quo are always stronger than reformers seeking change,
UNTIL the status quo self-destructs from its own corruption, and the reformers are free to build on its ashes.
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Posted 23 April 2007 - 09:06 AM