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#41 Tor

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Posted 27 August 2007 - 05:08 PM

Cigarettes have been labeled as deadly since 1963. How many people do you know who started smoking AFTER 1963?

(I agree they should carry the warning... but beyond that, you are on your own)

Likewise food. How would we "label" a donut? How would we label prunes? "Caution - may cause diarrhea?"
I don't mean to be facetious, but most people have a pretty decent basic idea about healthy versus non-healthy food. Its all about choice.

Each one of us is free to make the right choice or not. Regardless of whether that choice is HARD or not. If we set out to do something HARD, then we work harder at it, or ask for help.

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Fair enough MM, maybe we have different views. I personally think quitting junk food is harder, for a lot of people who grew up on it, than consensus believes. It goes to the core of addiction.

Ask a teenager smoker why he doesnt quite. He replies, I could quit if I wanted to. So why dont you? He replies...because I like it.

All I would say about choice is be careful. In many ways choice is an illusion. Sure we have perceived choice, but think about your life, and the people you meet and the path you follow...was it really choice, or was it augmented by the people around??? I didn't choose my friends, they happened. I thought I chose them, but even when i positively chose them, it was probablybecause of some criteria. Just like what food I eat or have become accustomed.

My view is that choice is a lot less than people actually realise, when you actually consider the paths that many people take. Its an interesting philosophical concept in my view, but if people can see it, then only then can they have a truly free life with positive choice.
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#42 Rogerdodger

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Posted 27 August 2007 - 05:16 PM

KRMG, our local big radio station from the Kerr-McGee oil company days (hence the call letters), has a Sunday night rebroadcast of entire old radio shows from the 30's 40's and 50's such as Will Rogers, Jack Benny, Bob Hope, Amos and Andy, Jack Armstrong, George and Gracie, the Whistler, etc. and they include the original commercials.

It's funny how illegal and politically incorrect those shows would be today.
One commercial claims that their cigarette is smoked by more doctors than any other brand. Posted Image


But it's easy to be a victim.
You can relinquish all responsibility for your own actions.
So in the end, every thing's our parent's fault and we are free to blamelessly continue what we know is not good.

Personal Responsibility in the Twelve Steps:
STEPS EIGHT AND NINE ask us take full responsibility for our actions


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#43 maineman

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Posted 27 August 2007 - 05:37 PM

Tor, We are way off into the philosophical and while interesting, there is a practical side that cannot be pushed aside. I did not choose to be born. Bingo! here I am, thrust into an odd world. So, true, "choice" is an odd thing. But, assume you are a prisoner of war. You are going to get by just fine without cigarettes. You may "want" them, but you'll do fine. Not so with opiates or heroin. In that case you'll be sick as a dog - for awhile, but most people make it through. QUitting cigarettes does not cause similar withdrawal. I used to smoke in college and I "liked it". In fact, in spite of spending all day helping and lecturing people I still get the urge for a smoke now and then, but I choose not to cave in to that urge. I believe strongly that humans are strong, smart, powerful, inciteful, kind, and basically amazing. We can put men on the moon, cure disease, make WIFI, supersonic planes, etc. etc. We can band together and sand bag a flooding river and pull peope out of earthquakes. We can sit down with "mortal enemies" and hammer out peace treaties. In short, we are capapble of anything. All you have to do is try. Then try some more and keep going. The journey of one thousand miles begins with the first step. mm
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