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Rogerdodger
post Feb 9 2010, 01:43 AM
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I've seen a few big "Riverboat" type gamblers come through here.
But as for me, 1/2 a loaf is better than none as my mamma used to say.

Maybe it's just the size of my Amygdala. blush.gif

Study shows why it is so scary to lose money
Mon Feb 8, 2010
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - People are afraid to lose money and an unusual study released on Monday explains why -- the brain's fear center controls the response to a gamble.

The study of two women with brain lesions that made them unafraid to lose on a gamble showed the amygdala, the brain's fear center, activates at the very thought of losing money.
The finding, reported in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, offers insight into economic behavior and suggests that humans evolved to be cautious about the prospects of losing food or other valued possessions.
Benedetto De Martinoa of the California Institute of Technology in Pasadena and University College of London and colleagues were studying why people will turn down gambles that are likely to lead to gain.

"Laboratory and field evidence suggests that people often avoid risks with losses even when they might earn a substantially larger gain, a behavioral preference termed 'loss aversion'," they wrote.
"For instance, people will avoid gambles in which they are equally likely to either lose $10 or win $15, even though the expected value of the gamble is positive ($2.50)."

They studied two women with a rare genetic condition called Urbach-Wiethe disease, which damages the amygdala, the almond-shaped center in the brain that controls fear and certain other acute emotions.
The researchers compared the women's responses to 12 people with undamaged brains. They noted this kind of study usually involves only a few people as it is not possible or ethical to deliberately damage a person's brain to see what happens.
The volunteers were asked to make gambles in which there was an equal probability they would win $20 or lose $5 (a risk most people will take) -- or would win or lose $20 (one most people will reject).
The two patients with damaged amygdalas fearlessly risked a $50 pot.

"We think this shows that the amygdala is critical for triggering a sense of caution toward making gambles in which you might lose," Colin Camerera of University College London, who worked in the study, said in a statement.
"A fully functioning amygdala appears to make us more cautious," added his colleague Ralph Adolphs. "We already know that the amygdala is involved in processing fear, and it also appears to make us 'afraid' to risk losing money."
The study could also help researchers understand why some people are more willing to take risks than others. Perhaps genetic differences in the DNA activated in the amygdala explain it, the researchers said.
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post Feb 9 2010, 01:49 AM
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Emotional trading.
I think this helps explain why it's so hard to pull the trigger when you should according to technical analysis, when there is "blood in the streets," but easier when the crowd is buying and the market's already moved and positive emotions are stronger.


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post Feb 9 2010, 08:50 AM
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Look at my picture and you tell me. . . wink.gif

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post Feb 9 2010, 09:48 AM
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After having a good feel for the probabilities, using stops and money management is absolutely essential.
There is, of course, nothing in the sentence above that is not already known by successful traders.

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QUOTE (milbank @ Feb 9 2010, 09:48 AM) *
After having a good feel for the probabilities, using stops and money management is absolutely essential.
There is, of course, nothing in the sentence above that is not already known by successful traders.

I ran my shorts with NO stops from dec at es 1111. on option as I am willing to bet all than the rally will fail


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post Feb 9 2010, 11:18 AM
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QUOTE (Rogerdodger @ Feb 9 2010, 12:43 AM) *
I've seen a few big "Riverboat" type gamblers come through here.
But as for me, 1/2 a loaf is better than none as my mamma used to say.

Maybe it's just the size of my Amygdala. blush.gif

Study shows why it is so scary to lose money
Mon Feb 8, 2010
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - People are afraid to lose money and an unusual study released on Monday explains why -- the brain's fear center controls the response to a gamble.

The study of two women with brain lesions that made them unafraid to lose on a gamble showed the amygdala, the brain's fear center, activates at the very thought of losing money.
The finding, reported in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, offers insight into economic behavior and suggests that humans evolved to be cautious about the prospects of losing food or other valued possessions.
Benedetto De Martinoa of the California Institute of Technology in Pasadena and University College of London and colleagues were studying why people will turn down gambles that are likely to lead to gain.

"Laboratory and field evidence suggests that people often avoid risks with losses even when they might earn a substantially larger gain, a behavioral preference termed 'loss aversion'," they wrote.
"For instance, people will avoid gambles in which they are equally likely to either lose $10 or win $15, even though the expected value of the gamble is positive ($2.50)."

They studied two women with a rare genetic condition called Urbach-Wiethe disease, which damages the amygdala, the almond-shaped center in the brain that controls fear and certain other acute emotions.
The researchers compared the women's responses to 12 people with undamaged brains. They noted this kind of study usually involves only a few people as it is not possible or ethical to deliberately damage a person's brain to see what happens.
The volunteers were asked to make gambles in which there was an equal probability they would win $20 or lose $5 (a risk most people will take) -- or would win or lose $20 (one most people will reject).
The two patients with damaged amygdalas fearlessly risked a $50 pot.

"We think this shows that the amygdala is critical for triggering a sense of caution toward making gambles in which you might lose," Colin Camerera of University College London, who worked in the study, said in a statement.
"A fully functioning amygdala appears to make us more cautious," added his colleague Ralph Adolphs. "We already know that the amygdala is involved in processing fear, and it also appears to make us 'afraid' to risk losing money."
The study could also help researchers understand why some people are more willing to take risks than others. Perhaps genetic differences in the DNA activated in the amygdala explain it, the researchers said.
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The real question is, do those women make more money ?

the less conservative Ive become, the more money I tend to lose. biggrin.gif


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