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#1 rkd80

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Posted 12 January 2009 - 01:47 PM

Hey guys, What are my options when it comes to shorting us treasuries? I have looked at things like TBT (ultra short) and because I would like to build a long term position, feel that this is not the right tool. Is there a way to just buy the rates, something like $TNX? I guess the most straight forward way would be to short futures, but I am looking for alternatives. TIA!
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#2 vitaminm

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Posted 12 January 2009 - 02:23 PM

tlt/tbt ...put/call ..options........or .tyx ..options..........rydex fundx..ryjux

http://finance.yahoo...TBT&k=40.000000
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#3 rkd80

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Posted 12 January 2009 - 04:04 PM

tlt/tbt ...put/call ..options........or .tyx ..options..........rydex fundx..ryjux

http://finance.yahoo...TBT&k=40.000000


tlt/tbt are not practical, tlt is just very under leveraged while tbt is bad for long term.

options are time sensitive.

RYJUX i looked at earlier, is the fee they charge reasonable?
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#4 vitaminm

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Posted 12 January 2009 - 04:37 PM

ryjux.........and rest
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FEES & EXPENSES
http://finance.yahoo.com/q/pr?s=RYJUX


http://finance.yahoo...p;c=RYGBX,RYJUX
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#5 mcleert

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Posted 12 January 2009 - 10:38 PM

[quote name='rkd80' date='Jan 12 2009, 01:47 PM' post='426379']
Hey guys,

What are my options when it comes to shorting us treasuries? I have looked at things like TBT (ultra short) and because I would like to build a long term position, feel that this is not the right tool.
Is there a way to just buy the rates, something like $TNX?

I guess the most straight forward way would be to short futures, but I am looking for alternatives.

TIA!
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