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#1 Rogerdodger

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Posted 10 November 2009 - 11:09 PM

Last week I had a discussion with a local apartment manager. She said that Tulsa's largest apartment company had around 80% occupancy rate.
Down from the 90's a year ago, putting downward pressure on rental rates.
A house down the street went up for sale 2 weeks ago and has a SOLD sign on it already.
Some are moving out of apartments and into homes.

There are still too many houses
House prices have pulled out of their free fall, but don't expect them to recover until we work through a huge property glut.
NEW YORK (Fortune) --
The lights are on in the housing market. But at more and more places, nobody's home.

House prices have risen in recent months after a long plunge, according to the National Association of Realtors and the S&P Case-Shiller national index. Fewer Americans owe more than their property is worth, according to a report this week from Zillow.com.
But a full-fledged housing recovery will remain elusive until the market can absorb all the houses and apartments that were built during the housing boom. And on that front, progress has been slow.

About one in seven housing units was vacant in the third quarter, according to the Census Department. This year has registered the highest reading since the government began collecting such data in 1965.
Part of the glut comes from a rash of foreclosures as strapped borrowers fall behind on their mortgages.

But rental apartments are emptying out at a record clip as well, as a spike in the jobless rate and a decade of subpar wage growth have sent many Americans back home to live with Mom and Dad.

And some owners, such as Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner, have decided to rent their houses out after they couldn't sell them.
"There's just too many houses out there for the population we have," said Brian Peterson, an economist at Indiana University who focuses on housing. "The market's going to take a couple years to clear."

The homeowner vacancy rate dropped to 2.6% in the third quarter from 2.8% a year ago, when homeowner vacancies hit their all-time high. But a jump in the rental vacancy rate, to 11.1% from 9.9% a year earlier, more than offset that decline.

Because twice as many people own their homes as rent, the total vacancy rate -- 14.5% in the third quarter -- exceeds the sum of the homeowner and rental vacancy rates.

The rise in vacancies comes after a decade in which homebuilders, motivated by easy financing and rising prices, built many more homes than the U.S. needed.

About 1.2 million households are formed each year, on average, according to government estimates. But housing starts averaged 1.7 million a year between 1996 and 2006, when the boom topped out.
"There was some overbuilding during that period," said Walter Molony, a public affairs specialist at the National Association of Realtors.

Since then, housing starts have dropped sharply, allowing the market to soak up some of the excess. And prices have dropped precipitously in the most overbuilt markets in the South and West, luring some buyers off the sidelines.

Peterson also notes that the vacancy numbers have expanded over the years to include more types of vacant homes, such as seasonally occupied beach houses.
Meanwhile, tax credits, mortgage modifications and government mortgage market support have helped slow the decline of house prices.

Federal mortgage purchases have brought down 30-year mortgage rates by a third of a point, according to Wall Street estimates. More than 350,000 Americans have used the $8,000 homebuyer tax credit to buy their first house, according to industry data.
But because most of those buyers were presumably renters beforehand, their purchases filled one vacancy while creating another.


The biggest factor working for a recovery now, Peterson said, is that buyers who were once priced out of many housing markets are being lured in by lower prices.
But those people may not take the plunge until their job prospects firm up, he added. That may take a while at a time when unemployment is at a 26-year high and the economy has shed jobs for 22 straight months.
"We need those people to start buying houses and starting families," he said.
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Edited by Rogerdodger, 10 November 2009 - 11:13 PM.


#2 bullshort

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Posted 10 November 2009 - 11:51 PM

Setting first time home buyers aside for a moment, here's some math. If they just gave $8,000 to each of the 150 MILLION "poorest" households in the country, that would require $1.2 trillion. Hey, that's not too far off from the current year deficit. Somebody correct me, but I think 150 million households pretty much covers the population of the whole country. Now . . . $8,000 in the hands of 150 million households headed for Walmart would do WHAT in the way of stimulating the economy? Of course, somehow that $1.2 trillion went somewhere else. Hmmm.

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Posted 11 November 2009 - 12:09 AM

Setting first time home buyers aside for a moment, here's some math. If they just gave $8,000 to each of the 150 MILLION "poorest" households in the country, that would require $1.2 trillion. Hey, that's not too far off from the current year deficit.

Somebody correct me, but I think 150 million households pretty much covers the population of the whole country. Now . . . $8,000 in the hands of 150 million households headed for Walmart would do WHAT in the way of stimulating the economy? Of course, somehow that $1.2 trillion went somewhere else. Hmmm.



350,000 people received the $8000 credit----------------NOT--------------150 million

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#4 Rogerdodger

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Posted 11 November 2009 - 12:12 AM

350,000 people received the $8000 credit----------------NOT--------------150 million

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Either way, they went to Walmart. :lol:

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Posted 11 November 2009 - 01:28 AM

And some owners, such as Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner, have decided to rent their houses out after they couldn't sell them. huh, what is that?
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Posted 11 November 2009 - 09:21 AM

350,000 people received the $8000 credit----------------NOT--------------150 million

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Either way, they went to Walmart. :lol:


Very interesting story about how buyers and sellers are using the home-buyer tax credit and government-backed loans to put extra money in their pocket. Read down about the Salvadoran girl who buys a home and gets cash back. The seller gets the home sold at 105% of listing.

http://theautomatice...t-theft-in.html