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#1 nimblebear

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Posted 17 January 2010 - 01:25 AM

Excerpt from McHugh....

We believe the third major top of the past decade is imminent, and likely occurred Thursday. Even if the Central Planners goose markets and another new high is reached in the Industrials, a top should still arrive soon, maybe it comes in two weeks, maybe at our next phi mate turn date in February. The key here is not to pick the exact top. This top will lead to a stock market decline that could be far worse than the past two of the 2000 millennium. The first major decline started on January 14th, 2000, and bottomed October 9th, 2002, a 38 percent plunge. The second major top started on October 9th, 2007 at 14,164.53 (closing basis) and plunged to the March 9th, 2009 bottom at 6,547.05, a 54 percent plunge. The next plunge should start soon, probably kicked off Friday, January 15th, 2010, leading to a decline that lasts 2 to 4 years, and takes prices possibly all the way to zero ( :lol: ), not all at once, but in stair-step fashion. The massive Bearish Head & Shoulders tops forming all over the world suggest this downside target, and relentless decline, will accompany world-wide calamity.



We are doing some long-term phi mate research right now that suggests a major crash leg could take place late in 2010. Any decline now may not have the magnitude initially that several other legs of this coming decline will. But keep in mind, this next leg could see the Industrials drop 10,000 points. The late 2010 plunge should be one for the ages. There could be several plunges throughout the imminent wave (C ) down leg of grand Supercycle wave {IV} in addition to the massive one we expect toward the end of 2010. There could be mini-crashes between now and then. The larger declines will come as 2011 approaches, continuing into at least late 2012. The totality of these down-legs should wipe out most of the value of stock market indices world-wide.



Major tops usually are slow, rounded affairs. Prices move slowly into tops, and roll slowly out of them initially. Then prices start to accelerate lower, bounce back a significant portion of the initial loss, then fall hard. Let's examine how the 2000 and 2007 tops developed:



In 2000, the Industrials limped higher, in slow motion, the three weeks leading up to the January 14th, 2000 top. On December 23rd, 1999, just before Y2K, the Industrials were at 11,405.Over the next 3 weeks the Industrials rose only another 300 points, or an average of about 15 points a day. One month after the top, the Industrials had lost 1,000 points, closing at 10,718 February 15th.



In 2007, the Industrials closed at 13,739 on September 18th. Three weeks later, they topped at 14,164 on October 9th. They rose only 425 points, or an average of about 25 points a day the three weeks leading to this top. One month later, on November 9th, 2007, the Industrials were down 1,100 points, to 13,042.



The 2010 top has developed similarly. On December 23rd, 2009, the Industrials closed at 10,466. On Thursday, January 14th, 2010, they closed at 10,711, a rise of 243 points, or an average of about 18 points a day. We expect that if this top has hit, we could see the Industrials fall 1,000 points over the next month.



Because of the high probability that a top arrived Thursday, January 14th, 2010, we put on a trade in our conservative investment portfolio that plays the Industrials to decline. The details of that trade are noted on page 47, and also at the Trader's Corner button at our home page at www.technicalindicatorindex.com



Earnings season started last week, and so far it is going as we suspected. Bottom line earnings are up, but revenues are disappointing. So even the most fundamental approach to stock valuation is not going well. Technical analysis knows this, which is why we study it so carefully. It considers everything known by everyone and presents that knowledge inside stock price patterns and indicators, the language of the markets, telling us where prices are headed next.



What are some of the technical analysis Bearish forces suggesting the start of a major decline is imminent, maybe started Thursday? Of course, there is the new sell signal in the VIX from Tuesday, January 12th, which is a rare signal. It has produced three 1,000 point (or greater) drops in the Industrials over the past three years. This suggested that over the next two weeks, a significant top should arrive in stocks and a large decline should start. Thursday looks like that top.

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#2 andiron

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Posted 17 January 2010 - 11:36 AM

history is replete w/ carcasses of top callers..it is a dangerous addiction..

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Posted 17 January 2010 - 11:40 AM

Excerpt from McHugh....

We believe the third major top of the past decade is imminent, and likely occurred Thursday. Even if the Central Planners goose markets and another new high is reached in the Industrials, a top should still arrive soon, maybe it comes in two weeks, maybe at our next phi mate turn date in February. The key here is not to pick the exact top. This top will lead to a stock market decline that could be far worse than the past two of the 2000 millennium. The first major decline started on January 14th, 2000, and bottomed October 9th, 2002, a 38 percent plunge. The second major top started on October 9th, 2007 at 14,164.53 (closing basis) and plunged to the March 9th, 2009 bottom at 6,547.05, a 54 percent plunge. The next plunge should start soon, probably kicked off Friday, January 15th, 2010, leading to a decline that lasts 2 to 4 years, and takes prices possibly all the way to zero ( :lol: ), not all at once, but in stair-step fashion. The massive Bearish Head & Shoulders tops forming all over the world suggest this downside target, and relentless decline, will accompany world-wide calamity.



We are doing some long-term phi mate research right now that suggests a major crash leg could take place late in 2010. Any decline now may not have the magnitude initially that several other legs of this coming decline will. But keep in mind, this next leg could see the Industrials drop 10,000 points. The late 2010 plunge should be one for the ages. There could be several plunges throughout the imminent wave (C ) down leg of grand Supercycle wave {IV} in addition to the massive one we expect toward the end of 2010. There could be mini-crashes between now and then. The larger declines will come as 2011 approaches, continuing into at least late 2012. The totality of these down-legs should wipe out most of the value of stock market indices world-wide.



Major tops usually are slow, rounded affairs. Prices move slowly into tops, and roll slowly out of them initially. Then prices start to accelerate lower, bounce back a significant portion of the initial loss, then fall hard. Let's examine how the 2000 and 2007 tops developed:



In 2000, the Industrials limped higher, in slow motion, the three weeks leading up to the January 14th, 2000 top. On December 23rd, 1999, just before Y2K, the Industrials were at 11,405.Over the next 3 weeks the Industrials rose only another 300 points, or an average of about 15 points a day. One month after the top, the Industrials had lost 1,000 points, closing at 10,718 February 15th.



In 2007, the Industrials closed at 13,739 on September 18th. Three weeks later, they topped at 14,164 on October 9th. They rose only 425 points, or an average of about 25 points a day the three weeks leading to this top. One month later, on November 9th, 2007, the Industrials were down 1,100 points, to 13,042.



The 2010 top has developed similarly. On December 23rd, 2009, the Industrials closed at 10,466. On Thursday, January 14th, 2010, they closed at 10,711, a rise of 243 points, or an average of about 18 points a day. We expect that if this top has hit, we could see the Industrials fall 1,000 points over the next month.



Because of the high probability that a top arrived Thursday, January 14th, 2010, we put on a trade in our conservative investment portfolio that plays the Industrials to decline. The details of that trade are noted on page 47, and also at the Trader's Corner button at our home page at www.technicalindicatorindex.com



Earnings season started last week, and so far it is going as we suspected. Bottom line earnings are up, but revenues are disappointing. So even the most fundamental approach to stock valuation is not going well. Technical analysis knows this, which is why we study it so carefully. It considers everything known by everyone and presents that knowledge inside stock price patterns and indicators, the language of the markets, telling us where prices are headed next.



What are some of the technical analysis Bearish forces suggesting the start of a major decline is imminent, maybe started Thursday? Of course, there is the new sell signal in the VIX from Tuesday, January 12th, which is a rare signal. It has produced three 1,000 point (or greater) drops in the Industrials over the past three years. This suggested that over the next two weeks, a significant top should arrive in stocks and a large decline should start. Thursday looks like that top.


Regrettably Mr McHugh is headed for an early grave as he is always bearish, always the end of the world, always the crash, always, always, always. Always prediciting a criahs, invariably wrong.
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Posted 17 January 2010 - 11:47 AM

Prechter.

Andiron, Bernard Baruch, who made his money by selling too soon, long ago obersved that top calling can't be done except by liars.

Edited by selecto, 17 January 2010 - 11:48 AM.


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Posted 17 January 2010 - 12:25 PM

Well if it was a top last week this week will be very ugly very fast with no in between.

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Posted 17 January 2010 - 12:28 PM

I realize this call is over the top in terms of long term bearishness. I still respect McHugh though. His track record? His newsletter portfolio went long in late March (not many advisors caught that one!) and now at 1150-ish he is exiting these profitable longs and reversing to the short side. I think this is impressive. I know some of you guys are in disagreement and itching to write a rebuttal to this but look it, if the average investor had followed his advice they would have done splendidly well. Overall I think McHugh's analysis, charts, etc. is top-notch. I do not disagree with his calling a top right here, I am in a 1/2 short position myself. He may still be early and we may run to SPX 1200-1250 in 2010, but there's also reasonable odds we hit 1000 by mid-year also. As for my plans I will trade around this "core" SPXU position. If we drop to 1125 early next week I will exit and plan to re-short the bounce to 1150-ish. If we rally from there I will add to this position as we rally.

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Posted 17 January 2010 - 03:58 PM

A call like that belongs on YAHOO. Or some locked ward somewhere. I really doubt suicide is an option here, and thats exactly whats being predicted. The banks, insurance companies and just about any financial institution would throw the kitchen sink at this market times 30 to 1 leverage once again to bouy stock prices and if that don't work the Feds will print even more. So how does the stockmarket drop going against that flood? Sy Hardings latest blurb talks of the Individual Investor bailing out of stocks for sometime now in droves. Since when are they right? Lots of cash on the sidelines and in low producing bonds. The firepower for UP has never been larger. So A top, perhaps, but, THE TOP of TOPS? Get a grip man. I would discredit Mchugh based on those comments alone. And if he proves to be a genious, we will all be dead and broke. Chaos will be the norm. No matter how much money you have left you better be living on some other planet.
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Posted 17 January 2010 - 05:17 PM

Regrettably Mr McHugh is headed for an early grave as he is always bearish, always the end of the world, always the crash, always, always, always. Always prediciting a criahs, invariably wrong.


It's Dr. McHugh, please.

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Posted 17 January 2010 - 06:29 PM

P.S. My intent wasn't to mock or laugh at Dr McHugh, but the question was real. Is anyone more bearish ? I mean he is predicting the Dow to possibly go to zero, along with a number of foreign indexes. And he does have a lot of compelling charts, if not debatable conclusions with them. Its juxtaposed against some very strong bullishness by many mainstream advisor letters and a number of widely followed sentiment indicators that are at, or above the highs set back in 07. Tim over at Slope of hope seems to be seeking that elusive top as well, and all sorts of charting and fibs by him would seem to point to that. its a concerning environment right now.
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Posted 18 January 2010 - 12:39 PM

You know, those guys are right once in a while with top calling, I mean eventually someone has to be right. However I would not trade on such things but wait for little hindsight. Like seeing 5 waves down and then only 3 up. or Trend change by whatever method you trust.