atlas shrugged
#1
Posted 11 June 2012 - 11:44 AM
#2
Posted 12 June 2012 - 10:26 AM
here is rogers take
http://www.cnbc.com/id/47767459
dharma
#3
Posted 12 June 2012 - 10:56 AM
Edited by salsabob, 12 June 2012 - 11:00 AM.
If the world didn't suck, wouldn't we all just fly off?
#4
Posted 12 June 2012 - 11:01 AM
pssss, let me give you the real secret about money
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- it's the only thing the govt accepts for paying your taxes.
All the gold, donkeys or brides you may offer at the govt payment window will NOT keep you out of jail or the funny farm if you don't pay your taxes in the govt's currency.
If your mind is truly opened, this little fact should give you more enlightenment than 500 pages of Rand. Try not to think about all that wasted reading time.![]()
Rogers is a broken clock.
perfect
dharma
#5
Posted 12 June 2012 - 12:06 PM
pssss, let me give you the real secret about money
-
- it's the only thing the govt accepts for paying your taxes.
All the gold, donkeys or brides you may offer at the govt payment window will NOT keep you out of jail or the funny farm if you don't pay your taxes in the govt's currency.
If your mind is truly opened, this little fact should give you more enlightenment than 500 pages of Rand. Try not to think about all that wasted reading time.![]()
Rogers is a broken clock.
perfect
dharma
If you doubt me, try the experiment. Tip - just have your lawyer prep'd to receive your 1 phone call.
Also, we don't "make money," we earn it. If you're making it, then I have to report you to the FBI.
If Jim Rogers had understood this holds true of ALL govt securities, whether dollars or T-bills, then he may have only lost half of all the money he did last year.
I realize that this pragmatic advice doesn't give you Rand's magic ponies that poop gold nuggets, but it is infinitely more objective.
If the world didn't suck, wouldn't we all just fly off?
#6
Posted 12 June 2012 - 09:17 PM
As for Rand, she had learned from the tyranny and failures of collectivism in Russia, which some still try to force on the rest of us, resulting in the current failure of the world's economies.
You too can learn from the economic principles of the past successes:
The True Story of Thanksgiving
-- The story of the Pilgrims begins in the early part of the seventeenth century ...
The Church of England under King James I was persecuting anyone and everyone who did not recognize its absolute civil and spiritual authority. Those who challenged ecclesiastical authority and those who believed strongly in freedom of worship were hunted down, imprisoned, and sometimes executed for their beliefs." In England.
So, "A group of separatists first fled to Holland and established a community. After eleven years, about forty of them agreed to make a perilous journey to the New World, where they would certainly face hardships, but could live and worship G0D according to the dictates of their own consciences. On August 1, 1620, the Mayflower set sail. It carried a total of 102 passengers, including forty Pilgrims led by William Bradford. On the journey, Bradford set up an agreement, a contract, that established just and equal laws for all members of the new community, irrespective of their religious beliefs. The journey to the New World was a long and arduous one. And when the Pilgrims landed in New England in November, they found -- according to Bradford's detailed journal -- a cold, barren, desolate wilderness."
"There were no friends to greet them, he wrote." "There were no houses to shelter them. There were no inns where they could refresh themselves. And the sacrifice they had made for freedom was just beginning. During the first winter, half the Pilgrims -- including Bradford's own wife -- died of either starvation, sickness or exposure. When spring finally came, Indians taught the settlers how to plant corn, fish for cod and skin beavers for coats.
"Life improved for the Pilgrims, but they did not yet prosper! This is important to understand because this is where modern American history lessons often end. Here is the part that has been omitted: The original contract the Pilgrims had entered into with their merchant-sponsors in London called for everything they produced to go into a common store, and each member of the community was entitled to one common share. All of the land they cleared and the houses they built belonged to the community as well." Everything belonged to everybody. "They were going to distribute it equally. All of the land they cleared and the houses they built belonged to the community as well.
"Nobody owned anything." "They just had a share in it," but nobody owned anything. The original pilgrim settlement was a commune."
"And what happened? It didn't work!" They nearly starved!
"It never has worked! What Bradford and his community found was that the most creative and industrious people had no incentive to work any harder than anyone else, unless they could utilize the power of personal motivation; self-interest! But while most of the rest of the world has been experimenting with socialism for well over a hundred years -- trying to refine it, perfect it, and re-invent it -- the Pilgrims decided early on to scrap it permanently.
What Bradford wrote about this social experiment should be in every schoolchild's history lesson.
If it were, we might prevent much needless suffering in the future." If it were, there wouldn't be any Occupy Wall Street. There wouldn't be any romance for it.
"The experience that we had in this common course and condition,'" Bradford wrote. "'The experience that we had in this common course and condition tried sundry years...that by taking away property, and bringing community into a common wealth, would make them happy and flourishing -- as if they were wiser than G0D,' Bradford wrote." This was his way of saying, it didn't work, we thought we were smarter than everybody, everybody was gonna share equally, nobody was gonna have anything more than anything else, it was gonna be hunky-dory, kumbaya. Except it doesn't work. Because of half of them didn't work, maybe more. They depended on the others to do all the work. There was no incentive.
"'For this community [so far as it was] was found to breed much confusion and discontent, and retard much employment that would have been to their benefit and comfort. For young men that were most able and fit for labor and service did repine that they should spend their time and strength to work for other men's wives and children without any recompense,'" without being paid for it, "'that was thought injustice.'" They figured it out real quick. Half the community is not working -- living off the other half, that is. Resentment built. Why should you work for other people when you can't work for yourself? that's what he was saying.
So the Pilgrims found that people could not be expected to do their best work without incentive. So what did Bradford's community try next? They unharnessed the power of self-interest, good old free enterprise by invoking the under-girding capitalistic principle of private property.
"Bradford, who had become the new governor of the colony, recognized that
this form of collectivism was as costly and destructive to the Pilgrims as that first harsh winter,
which had taken so many lives. He decided to take bold action.
Bradford assigned a plot of land to each family to work and manage," as they saw fit, and, "thus turning loose the power of the marketplace.
"Every family was assigned its own plot of land to work and permitted to market its own crops and products.
And what was the result? 'This had very good success,'
wrote Bradford, 'for it made all hands industrious, so as[b] much more corn was planted than otherwise would have been.' ... Is it possible that supply-side economics could have existed before the 1980s? Yes," it did. "Now, this is where it gets really good, folks, if you're laboring under the misconception that I was, as I was taught in school. So they set up trading posts and exchanged goods with the Indians." This is what happened. After everybody had their own plot of land and were allowed to market it and develop it as they saw fit and got to keep what they produced, bounty, plenty resulted.
"And then they set up trading posts, stores. They exchanged goods with and sold the Indians things. Good old-fashioned commerce. They sold stuff. There were profits, and, "The profits allowed them to pay off their debts to the merchants in London." They paid off the merchant sponsors back in London with their profits, they were selling goods and services to the Indians. "The success and prosperity of the Plymouth settlement attracted more Europeans," what was barren was now productive, "and began what came to be known as the 'Great Puritan Migration.'
Edited by Rogerdodger, 13 June 2012 - 09:28 AM.
BIGGEST SCIENCE SCANDAL EVER...Official records systematically 'adjusted'.
#7
Posted 13 June 2012 - 09:29 AM
When Bradford's New England settlers "sold stuff" they were actually selling bits and pieces of their lives, their efforts, their ingenuity.
At the moment of birth, we have nothing to offer other humans but our smiles.
But as we become older, we can begin to do "chores" or labor by which we first begin to support ourselves, and eventually, thru industrious self interest, we usually have a surplus of our production.
Other people may be able to produce things which we need or want and we "trade" our labor and ability for their labor and ability.
We have surplus corn which we chose to grow rather than simply resting, they trade with us for their surplus wheat which they produced rather than just resting.
At times we may not need their surplus wheat but they need our corn so they write us a "note" good for future payment of their surplus.
This "note" of labor is the "evil" money which Rand speaks of, observing:
"Money is a tool of exchange, which can't exist unless there are goods produced and men able to produce them. Money is the material shape of the principle that men who wish to deal with one another must deal by trade and give value for value. Money is made possible only by the men who produce."
The EVIL is actually the greedy "LOVE OF MONEY" exhibited by Rand's "Moochers" and "Looters"
who are unwilling to trade their labor in a free market but rather immorally take without payment, usually at the barrel of a government gun by their "elected" government Looter (Sheriff of Nottingham).
Thus she continues: "Money is not the tool of the moochers, who claim your product by tears, or of the looters, who take it from you by force."
Looters and Moochers hate such free trade between agreeing parties and have attempted to eliminate all "notes" or currency except the currency which they produce, control and multiply AT WILL.
Thus they can borrow your one day of labor, inflate the currency (simply PRINT one day of labor) and in the future, pay you back with much less real value.
Thus in the late 1960's when I began offering my labor to a local restaurant as a dishwasher, I was paid the equivalent of 1 oz of GOLD per week, which was the equivalent of $0.90 an hour!
Today, unless you can find a (non-union) dishwasher who makes $78,000 a year ( 52 x 1 ounce gold at $1,500 vs $36 in 1960's) the Looters pay back dishwashers 1/4 of that thru the devaluation and inflation of the Dollar.
A great scheme of de facto theft at the hands of the US Treasury and the Federal Reserve.
Now they would like to see just ONE CURRENCY for the whole world, to the detriment of all who labor and expect an equal and just reward for it.
Gold is their problem.
And Rand is hated for exposing them so masterfully.
Edited by Rogerdodger, 13 June 2012 - 09:47 AM.
BIGGEST SCIENCE SCANDAL EVER...Official records systematically 'adjusted'.
#8
Posted 13 June 2012 - 10:55 AM
Co-dependance is a sickness,
Perhaps, but living in magic pony land is not only a sickness, it tends to loss you a lot of money - mostly to people like me. I very much enjoyed taking a lot of Rogers' money on his bond and currency calls based on his silly assumptions about what money is.
The closet any large group of people have come to Rand's vision was on the outskirts of Mogadishu (see "Blackhawk Down"), and even there you had to pay "the govt" exactly in the currency that they wanted - they were called warlords which might confuse some Randians because they didn't bother with throwing you in jail or funny farm for not paying your taxes; they just killed you.
I know it makes you all's heads explode to tell you this, but money is a creation of the state. Understand that, and you will not only be far less confused by what goes on around you but you will more likely profit from it.
If the world didn't suck, wouldn't we all just fly off?










