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Tax Questions Raised Regarding Gold and Silver Coins Used to Pay Wages

Why are you posting this tax protestor crap on a legitimate board?

Robert Schulz, the clown who runs "We The People", just YESTERDAY (5/5/08) avoided being fined $14,000 plus $2,000 per day for every additional day for being in contempt of a court order which required him to give the Justice Department a list of the names, addresses, telephone numbers and Social Security numbers of all people and businesses to whom he had distributed his bogus tax protester materials.

There is a civil injuction against Schulz and WTP ordering them to cease distributing his tax protester garbage. Schulz tried to get the U.S. Supreme Court to issue a stay of the part of the injuction and subsequent contempt ruling which requires that he turn over his customer info by yesterday or be fined for not doing so. The USSC essentially said "{oh yeah, I'm gonna be put on moderation}" because they declined to issue any stay. Schulz gave his customers up. Totally predictable.

Beyond that, this is extremely old "news." Kahre lucked out and got himself a hung jury 8 months ago. He's being retried, the new trial is imminent. He intends to introduce expert evidence relating to his "mental disease or defect" at his retrial. Don't see anything about that on Schulz's useless site, do you?

Would you take tax advice from someone who intends to offer an insanity defense at his criminal tax trial?

Would you take tax advice from someone who has been permanently enjoined, been held in contempt for violating the injunction and who promotes a guy who claims he's insane?

If not, again, why are you posting this crap here?

Why are you posting this tax protestor crap on a legitimate board?

It seemed bogus to me, but it was quite unusual...

Thanks for the info...

Perhaps we should just remove the whole thing altogether...

Thanks for the info...

My pleasure. Sorry if I seemed to jump on you, but I get extremely irritated by this stupid tax protester junk. It regularly ruins people. Not just financially, it can send you to federal prison for a long stretch.

Perhaps we should just remove the whole thing altogether...

Nah, it's probably better to let it stand as a warning to the folly of paying any attention whatsoever to scammers and idiots like Schulz and Kahre or any of the rest of the moronic tax protester types out there. 95 years of court cases make it perfectly clear that income from any and all sources is taxable for U.S. citizens, with few exceptions, all clearly laid out in the law.

None of the the stupid TP "arguments" are worth a sh!t, which is proven by how many of the TP gurus and their delusional followers have been incarcerated.

See Schiff, Simkanin, Meredith, Clayton, Swan, Thompson, Rose, Snipes, et al. Kahre is next. Schulz will probably follow.

People like Kuglin and Cryer who convinced a jury that they are too stupid to understand what 99.9% of the rest of us easily understand only avoided prison. While they beat the criminal charges based on a lack of proof of willfulness, they still owe every single penny of tax, penalty and interest. Plus whatever their criminal lawyer charged them.

If a corporation paid in gold coins with a nominal face value, this would lower the payroll expense of the corporation, thereby raising the taxable income at the corporate level. The recipient of the gold coins would seeming have a potentially taxable gain on the difference between the nominal value of the coin and the markt value, realized when the gold coin is sold to eat. It all comes out in the wash. IT