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#1 A-ha

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Posted 26 August 2008 - 11:19 PM

i dont know but someone should tell these suckers that we are entering in a global depression and construction is death for the next decade.... i dont think they did it with the expectations for what turned out to be a slight increase in july new home sales.....and i definitely dont think it has anything to do with ipod or blackberry ;) seriously can anyone give me a logical reason?

#2 dcengr

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Posted 26 August 2008 - 11:35 PM

Natural gas commercial position is highest in like 4-5 years. I suspect they foresee supply problems, perhaps due to Russia? Or whatever... dang makes me wanna go out and buy some.
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#3 VolPivots

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Posted 27 August 2008 - 12:08 AM

Natural gas commercial position is highest in like 4-5 years. I suspect they foresee supply problems, perhaps due to Russia? Or whatever... dang makes me wanna go out and buy some.

I explained this below, but you're missing a HUGE piece of the picture if you don't include swaps. Here's the massive net long position you refer to (borrowed from Sentimentrader.com):
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which ties out to the latest COT report
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what's missing are the henry hub swaps......commercials were MASSIVELY short through the latest reporting date....data doesn't include ICE or OTC swaps, nor does it include other basis trades
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#4 dcengr

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Posted 27 August 2008 - 12:14 AM

That's interesting.. but wish it was in $ value.. the # of contracts in one may not equal the other.
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#5 A-ha

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Posted 27 August 2008 - 12:27 AM

but copper is more related to the economic condition...

#6 VolPivots

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Posted 27 August 2008 - 12:36 AM

That's interesting.. but wish it was in $ value.. the # of contracts in one may not equal the other.

1swap=1/4future

#7 dasein

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Posted 27 August 2008 - 12:36 PM

were going to need a lot more pennies when people refuse to take paper money ;) klh
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