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#1 da_cheif

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Posted 22 October 2008 - 10:20 PM

WHERES DAT CRASH??????........so far the biggest one day move in history this has been on the upside this october........ .....and the next even bigger move to the upside is around the corner..... ......never in the history of the stock market has so much been done to so many by so few........the 30 stocks of the DJIA............. ;) ....lessee......they took down the WTC.....in return we took 2 countries........this time we really suckered them into a spending spree that they will never pay back.....by taking crude prices up so high they thought they would go to 500 barrell..........by crushing the price of oil we pump huge amounts of cash back into the US economy and force those that did nothing for the world but pump greeze out of the ground back into the labor force.......... :) its gonna be HEWGE........the next president is gonna look like a genius........rite place at the rite time...........because of those that kicked this off before him.........history will look back and right the current wrongs.....all of course IMHO :D

#2 blackcloud

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Posted 22 October 2008 - 10:43 PM

I may be wrong but I think ALL of the biggest upside moves have come in bear markets haven't they? Also, less than 2 weeks after that biggest one day move in history, we're right back where we started.


WHERES DAT CRASH??????........so far the biggest one day move in history this has been on the upside this october........ .....and the next even bigger move to the upside is around the corner..... ......never in the history of the stock market has so much been done to so many by so few........the 30 stocks of the DJIA............. ;) ....lessee......they took down the WTC.....in return we took 2 countries........this time we really suckered them into a spending spree that they will never pay back.....by taking crude prices up so high they thought they would go to 500 barrell..........by crushing the price of oil we pump huge amounts of cash back into the US economy and force those that did nothing for the world but pump greeze out of the ground back into the labor force.......... :) its gonna be HEWGE........the next president is gonna look like a genius........rite place at the rite time...........because of those that kicked this off before him.........history will look back and right the current wrongs.....all of course IMHO :D



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Posted 22 October 2008 - 10:46 PM

The CRASH has been from 14,200 on DJIA to 7,800, with 7,200 retest of 2002 lows imminent b4 the election, in case nobody noticed. And anybody who happened to be bullish from 1998, calling for the "epicenter of whatever it was"....has been wrong. And Prechter, who was wrong for the last 18 years....got it right this year. There's really not any place for permaboolishness in a stock market that's down well over 40% faster than ANY stock market since the year 1900. We may get a bottom/bounce at some point soon, but there has been no place to be buy and hold stocks for the past...10 years. TDM

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Posted 22 October 2008 - 10:52 PM

Here is more grounded reality to counter unfettered optimism or dare we say your irrational eXUBerance. (ps. Dat carsh will be before EOM) Global Deleveraging Sets In: Real Global Credit Growth Set To Halve From 16% in 2007 And Shrink Further in 2009 Oct 21 Fitch: The financial crisis will halve real growth in credit in 2008 as financial firms reduce leverage, investors' appetite for risk declines and the worldwide economy slows. In particular, real global credit growth, which peaked at almost 16 percent in 2007, will slow to 7 percent by year-end and shrink to nearer 5 percent next year. ``The slowdown will continue to be most pronounced in emerging Europe but will spread to all regions." Oct 13: George Magnus: Even if a financial meltdown is averted, we should be under no illusion that the deleveraging in the financial and household sectors will stop. As a result, four big battlegrounds remain. First, there is a high possibility of further bouts of financial stress and failures. Money markets are still broken and recovery will take time. Second, illiquidity, a preference for cash-type instruments, even over government bonds, and a considerably ex­panded supply of government bonds raise the threat of an untimely increase in bond yields. Third, the global recession that has started may yet turn out to be sharper than expected – and certainly longer. This will bring sustained, and some new, credit risks. Fourth, much slower growth and the risk of some home-made financial crises in emerging markets warrant close scrutiny. Roubini before coordinated G7 action: Urgent and immediate necessary actions that need to be done globally include: 1) another rapid round of policy rate cuts of the order of at least 150 basis points on average globally; 2) a temporary blanket guarantee of all deposits while a triage between insolvent financial institutions that need to be shut down and distressed but solvent institutions that need to be partially nationalized with injections of public capital is made; 3) a rapid reduction of the debt burden of insolvent households preceded by a temporary freeze on all foreclosures; 4) massive and unlimited provision of liquidity to solvent financial institutions; 5) public provision of credit to the solvent parts of the corporate sector to avoid a short-term debt refinancing crisis for solvent but illiquid corporations and small businesses; 6) a massive direct government fiscal stimulus packages that includes public works, infrastructure spending, unemployment benefits, tax rebates to lower income households and provision of grants to strapped and crunched state and local government; 7) a rapid resolution of the banking problems via triage, public recapitalization of financial institutions and reduction of the debt burden of distressed households and borrowers; 8) an agreement between lender and creditor countries running current account surpluses and borrowing and debtor countries running current account deficits to maintain an orderly financing of deficits and a recycling of the surpluses of creditors to avoid a disorderly adjustment of such imbalances. Total U.S. credit market debt as % of GDP started to shoot up in the early 1980s and reached 350% of GDP in 2008. The only other spike in the series is in the 1930s during the Great Depression--> this series tends to be mean-reverting, meaning that deleveraging from current record levels could be protracted and painful. (nc) Bill Gross: What Happens During Deleveraging? 1) All risk spreads go up; 2) Delevering slows/stops when assets have been liquidated and/or sufficient capital has been raised to produce an equilibrium; 3) Raising sufficient capital depends on new sources of liquidity (or balance sheets) coming in; absent that, prices of almost all assets will go down--> only new source of liquidity available on the scale needed for a bull market anywhere is the Treasury. (Bill Gross at PIMCO) Frank Veneroso (via NC): The bursting of the commodities bubble will be the last one after Japan, Asia, technology, housing--> serious deleveraging process around the corner. McCulley (PIMCO): if all financial institutions deleverage at the same time the result is macroeconomic asset deflation--> only medicine is governement sponsored countercyclical intervention with both fiscal and monetary measures--> ensuing fiscal deficit is lesser evil! Satyajit Das: ABS CP conduits, SIVs and CDOs are being gradually dismantled and the assets returning onto bank balance sheets. Hedge funds have been forced to reduce leverage by between a third and a half times. Prime brokers and banks have significantly tightened credit, increasing the level of collateral needed even against high quality assets. Each 1 times leverage reduction in hedge fund leverage represents in excess of US$2 trillion of assets. This accelerates the de-leveraging process.
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Posted 22 October 2008 - 11:14 PM

WHERES DAT CRASH??????........so far the biggest one day move in history this has been on the upside this october........ .....and the next even bigger move to the upside is around the corner..... ......never in the history of the stock market has so much been done to so many by so few........the 30 stocks of the DJIA............. ;) ....lessee......they took down the WTC.....in return we took 2 countries........this time we really suckered them into a spending spree that they will never pay back.....by taking crude prices up so high they thought they would go to 500 barrell..........by crushing the price of oil we pump huge amounts of cash back into the US economy and force those that did nothing for the world but pump greeze out of the ground back into the labor force.......... :) its gonna be HEWGE........the next president is gonna look like a genius........rite place at the rite time...........because of those that kicked this off before him.........history will look back and right the current wrongs.....all of course IMHO :D


Yeah Cheif! Making me feel better already. :) For those not familiar da cheif (sic) has been described as the best bottom picker out there...and this by one of his strongest critics....seems they have had some wars in the past. Technically I notice the ad line is diverging and down volume has not been that strong compared with earlier in the month. Great if we get a good rally but I still think that the pi cycle rules and mid 2011 will be the bottom of this unfolding slowdown. Remember cheif markets must exhale sometimes as you have noted, you cannot hold your arm up in the air indefinitely.
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Posted 23 October 2008 - 03:38 AM

WHERES DAT CRASH??????........so far the biggest one day move in history this has been on the upside this october........ .....and the next even bigger move to the upside is around the corner..... ......never in the history of the stock market has so much been done to so many by so few........the 30 stocks of the DJIA............. ;) ....lessee......they took down the WTC.....in return we took 2 countries........this time we really suckered them into a spending spree that they will never pay back.....by taking crude prices up so high they thought they would go to 500 barrell..........by crushing the price of oil we pump huge amounts of cash back into the US economy and force those that did nothing for the world but pump greeze out of the ground back into the labor force.......... :) its gonna be HEWGE........the next president is gonna look like a genius........rite place at the rite time...........because of those that kicked this off before him.........history will look back and right the current wrongs.....all of course IMHO :D


ITS GETTING BORING NOW CHEIF. SORRY MATE. CRASH WAS THE 40% DECLINE, SIMILAR TO 1987. FROM THE TOP, ACTUALLY STARTING THE LAST TIME YOU SHOWED UP IN JULY 2007 WITH YOUR EPICENTER MOVE TALK.

I SERIOUSLY QUESTIONED THAT VIEW, AND EXPLAINED THERE WAS NO LIKELY WAVE 3 EPICENTER MOVE AT THE TIME.

I AM INCLIUDED TO AGREE WITH YOU MORE ON THIS AT THIS JUNCTURE, BUT NOT 100% YET.
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#7 tommyt

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Posted 23 October 2008 - 09:44 AM

[quote name='da_cheif' date='Oct 22 2008, 07:20 PM' post='408867']
WHERES DAT CRASH??????

Chief you have fallen into the trap...we are in the crash...everyone wants a 1 day wonder like '87...stand back and look at it, its the same. Internally many stocks have crashed.

#8 da_cheif

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Posted 23 October 2008 - 07:41 PM

twas but a flesh wound......=g=