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[Dex]

Of course rates go up under ObamaCare.

But who was paying for those freeloading before?

You were through taxes.

You thought those rolling up to emergency for free was paid by the fairies?

Get real!

I think Obama Care is a shocker, except for what went before.

Try looking at better systems worldwide.

I pay 1.5% from my gross salary here in Australia.

It may be going up to 1.75% which will then cover all those with disabilities.

Ouch, NO, it doesn't hurt.

You don't understand the cycle.

Reg health ins expensive - go to exchange.

Exchange expensive - pay the tax.

Gov't pays for the loss - cost vs premiums for exchanges or tax

So, now the Gov't is paying for the previously uninsured and the difference between cost and premiums for exchanges or tax.

[Rogerdodger]

Cheapest Plan $20,000 Per Family...
The annual national average bronze plan premium for a family of 5 (2 adults, 3 children) is $20,000,” the IRS regulation says.

SHOCK: Two-Thirds May Not Insure Under Obamacare...
Nearly two-thirds of Americans who currently lack health insurance don't know yet if they will purchase that coverage by the Jan. 1 deadline set by the ACA, a new survey revealed Monday.
And less than half of those in the survey released by InsuranceQuotes.com think they'll get better health care after Obamacare takes full effect. Nearly 50 percent believe the ACA will make it more difficult for them to get tests and procedures done in a timely manner, according to the phone survey of 1,001 adult Americans conducted in early May.
And a whopping 68 percent of low-income Americans aren't sure they qualify for tax credits that would subsidize their purchase of health insurance.

Doctors weigh use of online medical records...

Lobbyist admits she helped write Obamacare...
NEERA TANDEN, PRESIDENT OF CENTER FOR AMERICAN PROGRESS: "I helped write the bill."

Edited by Rogerdodger, 03 June 2013 - 10:55 PM.

[Rogerdodger]

Who needs a Death Panel when the law states repeatedly:
"At the discretion of the Secretary"?

NO HELP FOR DYING GIRL
'SOMEONE LIVES, SOMEONE DIES'

Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius rebuffed an appeal from Rep. Lou Barletta, on behalf of a girl who needs a lung transplant but can't get one because of a federal regulation that prevents her from qualifying for a transplant.

“Please, suspend the rules until we look at this policy,” Rep. Lou Barletta, asked Sebelius during a House hearing Tuesday on behalf of Sarah Murnaghan, a 10-year-old girl who needs a lung transplant. She can’t qualify for an adult lung transplant until the age of 12, according to federal regulations, but Sebelius has the authority to waive that rule on her behalf. The pediatric lungs for which she qualifies aren’t available.

SOMEONE LIVES, SOMEONE DIES, TODAY YOU DIE!

Edited by Rogerdodger, 04 June 2013 - 12:59 PM.

[Rogerdodger]

The IRS will enforce free healthcare or else!
IRS agents training with AR-15 rifles...
"“I think Americans raise eyebrows when you tell them that IRS agents are training with a type of weapon that has stand-off capability. It’s not like they’re carrying a sidearm and they knock on someone’s door and say, ‘You’re evading your taxes,’” Duncan said.
Given the increased scrutiny amid the agency’s targeting of political groups and excessive spending, Duncan said, he intends to seek answers from the IRS.
“We’ll ask the questions and hopefully they can justify it. And if not, we’ll bring them in front of the committee for a hearing and ask the questions on the record,” he said."

Edited by Rogerdodger, 12 June 2013 - 09:26 PM.

[Rogerdodger]

I think we found a way to get rid of Washington politicians:
Offer them Obamacare!


Obamacare? We were just leaving …
"Dozens of lawmakers and aides are so afraid that their health insurance premiums will skyrocket next year thanks to Obamacare that they are thinking about retiring early or just quitting.
The fear: Government-subsidized premiums will disappear at the end of the year under a provision in the health care law that nudges aides and lawmakers onto the government health care exchanges, which could make their benefits exorbitantly expensive."

Edited by Rogerdodger, 13 June 2013 - 09:07 AM.

[Rogerdodger]

Health Benefits Come Under Knife Ahead Of ObamaCare...
Strikingly, Bureau of Labor Statistics data show that health benefit increases came to a standstill in service occupations after the first quarter of 2010 — when ObamaCare became law.
A likely culprit is a shift in the mix of full-time workers who will come under ObamaCare's employer mandate and part-time workers who won't.
Employers who offer full-time workers coverage can escape a potential fine of $3,000 per worker if employees work fewer than 30 hours per week.
That fine, levied for each full-time worker who accesses ObamaCare subsidies, equates to $5,000 in deductible wages for a profit-making firm with a 40% federal and state tax rate.
BLS data, though volatile from month to month, clearly show that retailers have been cutting the average workweek for nonsupervisory employees over the past year.

Exclusive - Largest U.S. private employer hiring strategy: Add more temps

Hiring temps is "one strategy" that retailers could use to mitigate the potential rise in healthcare costs due to the new healthcare care law, said Neil Trautwein, a healthcare lobbyist for the National Retail Federation. "Another strategy could be employing more part-time employees."
Under the reforms, large companies must next year offer healthcare to 95 percent of employees who work more than 30 hours a week or pay a penalty of $2,000 per worker for the entire workforce.
A Reuters survey of 52 stores run by the largest U.S. private employer in the past month, including one in every U.S. state, showed that 27 were hiring only temps, 20 were hiring a combination of regular full, part-time and temp jobs, and five were not hiring at all.
"Everybody who comes through the door I hire as a temporary associate," said a store manager in Alaska, who asked not to be identified. "It's a company direction at the present time."
The temporary workers are often being hired on 180-day contracts, according to the survey.

Edited by Rogerdodger, 14 June 2013 - 09:17 AM.

[Rogerdodger]

Local governments quietly cutting hours to skirt ObamaCare...

The result is that part-time government workers — many of them low-income — face pay cuts that can top $3,000 a year, and yet will still be left without employer-provided benefits.

Phillipsburg, Kan.: "School administrators here say they are alarmed and confounded by the looming new costs they face with the implementation of the Affordable Care Act," according to the Kaiser Health Institute News Service. Chris Hipp, director of a Kansas special education cooperative, warned that ObamaCare's costs "could put us all out of business or change significantly how we do business," adding that "we are not built to pay full health benefits for noncertified folks who work a little more than 1,000 hours a year."

Dearborn, Mich.: "If we had to provide health care and other benefits to all of our employees, the burden on the city would be tremendous," said Mayor John O'Reilly, explaining why the city is cutting its more than 700 part-time and seasonal workers down to 28 hours a week. "The city is like any private or public employer having to adjust to changes in the law."

Indiana: "What I'm seeing across the state is school districts, unfortunately, having to reduce the hours that they are having some of their folks work, primarily so they don't have to worry about the (ObamaCare) penalties, or they don't have to provide them health insurance, which would be very, very costly," said Dennis Costerison, executive director of the Indiana Association of School Business Officials. Ft. Wayne Community Schools, for example, are cutting hours for nearly three-quarters of its part-time aides.

Edited by Rogerdodger, 19 June 2013 - 08:57 AM.

[voltaire]

Who needs a Death Panel when the law states repeatedly:
"At the discretion of the Secretary"?

NO HELP FOR DYING GIRL
'SOMEONE LIVES, SOMEONE DIES'

Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius rebuffed an appeal from Rep. Lou Barletta, on behalf of a girl who needs a lung transplant but can't get one because of a federal regulation that prevents her from qualifying for a transplant.

“Please, suspend the rules until we look at this policy,” Rep. Lou Barletta, asked Sebelius during a House hearing Tuesday on behalf of Sarah Murnaghan, a 10-year-old girl who needs a lung transplant. She can’t qualify for an adult lung transplant until the age of 12, according to federal regulations, but Sebelius has the authority to waive that rule on her behalf. The pediatric lungs for which she qualifies aren’t available.

SOMEONE LIVES, SOMEONE DIES, TODAY YOU DIE!

Of course someone lives and someone dies.

Eligibility and priority lists exist in all sorts of medical procedures.

When it is donor based then the most likely to survive obviously should get priority.

Do you think continuing smokers get a lung transplant equal to a non smoker, or a heavy drinker get a new liver etc.

Yes, if plenty of donors, no problem, but when a scarcity, logic should prevail.

Too many people want to sentimentalise instead of using sound logic.

As for "death panels", do you really suggest you spend hundreds of thousands on a heart transplant for 95 year old etc.

The fact is medicine is expensive and sadly more so in the US than anywhere else.

[Rogerdodger]

We were told that government death panels would not exist.
The skeptics were demonized.
Looks like the whole socialist program was built on ignorance, ineptitude and lies.
What else is new?

Cuba’s Healthcare Horror
“Castro has brought great health care to his country” — ABC’s Barbara Walters, Oct. 11, 2002

40 patients had somehow frozen to death in Cuba’s Mazorra mental hospital — not far from the one featured in Michael Moore’s paean to Cuban health care, Sicko.
“Self-censorship is a very common practice,” one writes. “No journalist on the island can write the truth of what happens there.”

Edited by Rogerdodger, 22 June 2013 - 11:47 AM.

[Rogerdodger]

I can't wait for the IRS to run (ruin) my healthcare.

IRS Sends $7,300,000 to 2,706 Aliens All Using SAME BANK ACCOUNT...

Two IRS employees who went to members of Congress "alleging that IRS management was requiring employees to assign Individual Taxpayer Identification Numbers (ITIN) even when the applications were fraudulent.”
The report was completed in June 2012 and released in August 2012. In an August press release that accompanied the report, TIGTA said the report “validated” the complaints of the IRS employees.

“TIGTA’s audit found that IRS management has not established adequate internal controls to detect and prevent the assignment of an ITIN to individuals submitting questionable applications,” said Treasury Inspector General for Tax Administration J. Russell George. “Even more troubling, TIGTA found an environment which discourages employees from detecting fraudulent applications.”

Edited by Rogerdodger, 24 June 2013 - 08:47 PM.