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#41 salsabob

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Posted 23 January 2014 - 02:01 PM

Just a little friendly dissonance in the echo chamber here -

Obamacare has little to do with about 75% of the insurance coverage -

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It's beginning to exceed its targets -

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It's not about signing up young people per se, its about signing up healthy people particularly those that can afford more expensive plans - think people in their 30s and 40s with kids. And the whole 'death spiral" thingee is way way overblown -

http://www.theatlant...-spiral/283067/

and the insurers, with a lot of skin in the game, are not really worried about it at all -

http://www.washingto...l...klein

Well, at least you've moved on from Palin's 'death panels' - could it actually be getting a little progressive around here?? :swoon:

I return you to your chamber. :yes:
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#42 Lee48

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Posted 25 January 2014 - 01:40 PM

The politicians tell us all this shale drilling for gas and oil will make us energy independent. But it doesn't help much when the companies ship our oil and gas to Japan etc. Got any propane? And please charge me 300% more for it. RATIONING, PRICE SPIKES U.S. propane production has grown in recent years thanks to the shale oil and gas boom, but the resulting higher supplies have caused domestic prices to sink below global levels. That in turn, has encouraged exports of the fuel from the U.S. Gulf Coast to Japan and Latin America, where prices are higher. The shortage in the Midwest comes at a confluence of events: namely, record-breaking cold at the start of January, when stocks were already low after large amounts of propane were used to dry out a bumper corn harvest. A pipeline outage during most of December exacerbated the situation, and this week's freezing weather, expected to last to the end of the month, has heightened the situation. All the while prices have soared. Propane heading for the Midwest is priced against supplies in the hub in Conway, Kansas. Prices there touched almost $5 a gallon on Thursday, compared with Friday's pre-freeze price of around $1.75. Texas has lifted the need for out-of-state trucks to be registered with the state to allow other trucks to come and pick up supplies. "Long lines have formed at Mont Belvieu," said one Houston-based broker, referring to the largest propane supply hub in the country. "Lots of out-of-state trucks are showing up." LOW SUPPLIES In northern Tennessee, the Stewart County School System opted to close on Thursday and Friday because of warnings from suppliers they were focused on deliveries to residences of up to 150 gallons, said Leta Joiner, assistant schools director. "We're not sure how long this is going to last," Joiner said. "We decided to err on the side of caution." One propane supplier in northern Indiana said customers pleaded for more fuel when he did his rounds on Thursday. Other customers were more hostile, accusing his company of exploiting the shortage to raise prices.

#43 Rogerdodger

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Posted 28 January 2014 - 12:10 AM

Michelle O wants $10 donations 'to help protect Obamacare'...
(She should've mentioned that to the millionaires she was partying with last week.)

CA: Only One-Third Have Regained Insurance Lost...

Children Unable To Be Included In Parents' Plans...

Retiring House Democrat Slams Healthcare Law...


I guess this guy missed the echo chamber memo, or maybe he's just prejudiced:

"I don’t think we’re going to get enough young people signing up to make this bill work as it was intended to financially,” Moran said in an interview with WAMU American University Radio.
“And, frankly, there’s some legitimacy to their concern because the government spends about $7 for the elderly for every $1 it spends on the young,” Moran said.
“I just don’t know how we’re going to do it frankly. If we had a solution I’d be telling the president right now,” Moran said.


Edited by Rogerdodger, 28 January 2014 - 12:24 AM.


#44 Rogerdodger

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Posted 28 January 2014 - 12:29 AM

Fresh from the Echo Chamber:

Obamacare has little to do with about 75% of the insurance coverage -

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ObamaCare’s New Year’s Day Surprise: Deep Cuts to Medicare
“ObamaCare forcing 14 percent cut in Medicare’s home health program.”

“An estimated 3.5 million poor and ill homebound senior citizens will wake up on New Year’s Day to discover ObamaCare has slashed funding for their home health care program.”
The Administration had the discretion to cut less, or even to make no cuts at all. But they decided to impose the deepest cut made possible by the Affordable Care Act (shouldn’t we be calling this the “Horrible Care Act”?) legislation. And in doing so, they will shift billions of dollars from Medicare to ObamaCare.
By CMS’s own calculation, 40 percent or nearly 5,000 home health companies — mainly small businesses — will experience a “net loss” in revenue due to the cuts and go into the red by 2017. That will put many of them out of business.
The National Association for Home Care and Hospice calculates the losses will be much more severe, affecting 75 percent of all home health care companies.

Edited by Rogerdodger, 28 January 2014 - 12:36 AM.


#45 *JB*

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Posted 29 January 2014 - 02:59 AM

Fresh from the Echo Chamber:

Obamacare has little to do with about 75% of the insurance coverage -

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ObamaCare’s New Year’s Day Surprise: Deep Cuts to Medicare
“ObamaCare forcing 14 percent cut in Medicare’s home health program.”

“An estimated 3.5 million poor and ill homebound senior citizens will wake up on New Year’s Day to discover ObamaCare has slashed funding for their home health care program.”
The Administration had the discretion to cut less, or even to make no cuts at all. But they decided to impose the deepest cut made possible by the Affordable Care Act (shouldn’t we be calling this the “Horrible Care Act”?) legislation. And in doing so, they will shift billions of dollars from Medicare to ObamaCare.
By CMS’s own calculation, 40 percent or nearly 5,000 home health companies — mainly small businesses — will experience a “net loss” in revenue due to the cuts and go into the red by 2017. That will put many of them out of business.
The National Association for Home Care and Hospice calculates the losses will be much more severe, affecting 75 percent of all home health care companies.


More from the echo chamber....

As for the numbers in the second chart --- they are BS. The fact checkers have picked them apart -- the Annenburg Foundation (Obama's old employer) and others -- including a 3 "Pinocchio" from the Washington Post....As much as 80% of the medicaid numbers are NOT from Obamacare. It more like if you have a driver license and renew it, you just got your drivers licence. Also, the hit to employer plans will come in about 6 months......
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#46 Rogerdodger

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Posted 04 February 2014 - 10:37 AM

CBO: Obamacare killing 2 million jobs...
Nearly triple administration estimates...


Obamacare will push the equivalent of about 2 million workers out of the labor market by 2017 as employees decide either to work fewer hours or drop out altogether, according to the latest estimates Tuesday from the Congressional Budget Office.
That’s a major jump in the nonpartisan budget agency’s projections and it suggests the health care law’s incentives are
driving businesses and people to choose government-sponsored benefits rather than work.
“CBO estimates that the ACA will reduce the total number of hours worked, on net, by about 1.5 to 2 percent during the period from 2017 to 2024, almost entirely because workers will choose to supply less labor — given the new taxes and other incentives they will face and the financial benefits some will receive,” CBO analysts wrote in their new economic outlook.

The CBO analysis said the economy isn’t rebounding as fast as usual after such a deep recession, and said that poor growth means less revenue coming in to the Treasury Department — which means the cumulative deficit over the next decade will be $1 trillion more than projected just last year.

Edited by Rogerdodger, 04 February 2014 - 10:46 AM.


#47 salsabob

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Posted 04 February 2014 - 11:04 AM

Michelle O wants $10 donations 'to help protect Obamacare'...
(She should've mentioned that to the millionaires she was partying with last week.)

CA: Only One-Third Have Regained Insurance Lost...

Children Unable To Be Included In Parents' Plans...

Retiring House Democrat Slams Healthcare Law...


I guess this guy missed the echo chamber memo, or maybe he's just prejudiced:

"I don’t think we’re going to get enough young people signing up to make this bill work as it was intended to financially,” Moran said in an interview with WAMU American University Radio.
“And, frankly, there’s some legitimacy to their concern because the government spends about $7 for the elderly for every $1 it spends on the young,” Moran said.
“I just don’t know how we’re going to do it frankly. If we had a solution I’d be telling the president right now,” Mora-cn said.


Too funny when the O-care dead enders' echo chamber uses one of the farest Leftees in the Congress. You do realize that the polls showing 50-60% opposing O-care that about 1/3 to 1/2 of them do so because it is not socialized (public option, single payer) enough? That means a large majority want exactly the opposite of what the dead enders' echo chamber wants. Want to guess where Jim Moran sits on the spectrum? You might want to read Das Kapital for insights on his views. :swoon:

Edited by salsabob, 04 February 2014 - 11:05 AM.

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#48 salsabob

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Posted 04 February 2014 - 11:10 AM

Fresh from the Echo Chamber:

Obamacare has little to do with about 75% of the insurance coverage -

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ObamaCare’s New Year’s Day Surprise: Deep Cuts to Medicare
“ObamaCare forcing 14 percent cut in Medicare’s home health program.”

“An estimated 3.5 million poor and ill homebound senior citizens will wake up on New Year’s Day to discover ObamaCare has slashed funding for their home health care program.”
The Administration had the discretion to cut less, or even to make no cuts at all. But they decided to impose the deepest cut made possible by the Affordable Care Act (shouldn’t we be calling this the “Horrible Care Act”?) legislation. And in doing so, they will shift billions of dollars from Medicare to ObamaCare.
By CMS’s own calculation, 40 percent or nearly 5,000 home health companies — mainly small businesses — will experience a “net loss” in revenue due to the cuts and go into the red by 2017. That will put many of them out of business.
The National Association for Home Care and Hospice calculates the losses will be much more severe, affecting 75 percent of all home health care companies.


There's too much 1/2 truths in there for me to bother with, but I do want to point out the funny dead enders' hypocrisy of jumping up and down about health costs and O-care being too expensive and then criticizing, you know, actually cost reductions (even if they're faux reductions). Do I smell desperation in the echo chamber? Maybe another debt ceiling tantrum will help? Like I said, too funny. :P
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#49 salsabob

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Posted 04 February 2014 - 11:22 AM

Fresh from the Echo Chamber:

Obamacare has little to do with about 75% of the insurance coverage -

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ObamaCare’s New Year’s Day Surprise: Deep Cuts to Medicare
“ObamaCare forcing 14 percent cut in Medicare’s home health program.”

“An estimated 3.5 million poor and ill homebound senior citizens will wake up on New Year’s Day to discover ObamaCare has slashed funding for their home health care program.”
The Administration had the discretion to cut less, or even to make no cuts at all. But they decided to impose the deepest cut made possible by the Affordable Care Act (shouldn’t we be calling this the “Horrible Care Act”?) legislation. And in doing so, they will shift billions of dollars from Medicare to ObamaCare.
By CMS’s own calculation, 40 percent or nearly 5,000 home health companies — mainly small businesses — will experience a “net loss” in revenue due to the cuts and go into the red by 2017. That will put many of them out of business.
The National Association for Home Care and Hospice calculates the losses will be much more severe, affecting 75 percent of all home health care companies.


More from the echo chamber....

As for the numbers in the second chart --- they are BS. The fact checkers have picked them apart -- the Annenburg Foundation (Obama's old employer) and others -- including a 3 "Pinocchio" from the Washington Post....As much as 80% of the medicaid numbers are NOT from Obamacare. It more like if you have a driver license and renew it, you just got your drivers licence. Also, the hit to employer plans will come in about 6 months......


Care to post some actual numbers or links?

No one knows the actual breakouts as yet. What we do know are the targets (20 million previously uninsured to be covered) and that while the processing is now working and moving millions of applications, it's not intended to all happen in the first year. We also know that Medicaid sign up rates are way up over trend. We also know that anyone losing insurance will be relatively small and primarily a result of either their own ideology (i.e. stupidity) or the ideology of their state governing elite (i.e., knuckle draggers) not expanding Medicaid and not setting up their own exchanges and negotiating with the insurers.

But if you got, you know, actual facts to suggest otherwise, please share. :rolleyes:

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#50 Rogerdodger

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Posted 04 February 2014 - 12:56 PM

Fry Cook Shifted to Part-Time Work Confronts Obama...

During a Google Hangout session on Friday, 57 year old fry cook Darnell Summers told President Obama that his hours were cut due to the Affordable Care Act.
“We were broken down to part time to avoid paying health insurance,” he said. Summers explained that he makes $7.25 an hour.

The president did not address Summers’s comments about the healthcare law.
Nor did he address the epic failure on the Great Society's War On Poverty and it's destruction of the family and the failed eduction system controlled by unions.

Edited by Rogerdodger, 04 February 2014 - 01:02 PM.