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Ray Tomes Article "A 5.54 year Cycle in Oil Prices"

Hursts Nominal Model Custom Models for Commodities

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#1 Geomean

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Posted 17 March 2017 - 04:19 PM

I thought you might find the link below to Tomes article of interest, if you were not already aware of this work.  Here's how I came across it.

 

I have recently been inspired by recent Sentient Trader webinars on You Tube to practice, perform, and refine a manual phasing Hurst analysis on all of the items I trade.  Oil was the first given I was then short (I went short at  the 9:00 am high bar of @ CL on 3/7  and closed the position with a TDSEQh13 sell signal in the inverse ETF SCO this PM) (closed just for a short bounce before heading lower IMHO) Sugar was next (it has kept me neutral until a wave v completes and it's due a long term 19 month low soon per my phasing analysis and Eric Haydik"s work-he also is calling for a 19 month low about now)

 

My Phasing analysis on a limited data set on crude oil strongly suggests that all other items I trade need their own custom workups. 

 

My limited peak to peak (I chose peaks given that commodity peaks are pronounced) review of data back to just 2003 found a 34 month Peak to Peak cycle which just recently completed 12/16/16.  2x of that would be 68 months, which is close to Tomes average 5.54 year finding.  (I couldn't pick that longer cycle up with data going back to just 2003).  Adding a 34 month peak to Tomes projected 2008 peak hits the 2011 high and subsequent highs.  That 34 month cycle ( and Tomes 5.54 year cycle?) peaked again recently ( 12/12/16).

 

Here is Ray Tomes 2005 article on review of 60 years of Oil cycles data.  (starting at pg 6).  Ray notes that

"Data used in this analysis obtained from the St.

Louis Federal Reserve Economic Data (FRED),

which is located at http://research.stlouisfed.org/

fred2/, and referred to as OILPRICE.txt, “Spot

Oil Price: West Texas Intermediate”.

 

FRED may be a good source for long term data on other items when one wants to do a phasing analysis on other items too as well as the prior work of the Foundation for the Study of Cycles.  (I'm going to study that site more in order to see what other commodities it has price histories for).

 

Just as Gold phasing may work better with a custom cycle model a la "the Silent One's" excellent work, oil and various other items may too.  As far as I'm aware, Hurst only published a nominal model on stock prices, not other items, so it may be good practice to check whether to use Hurst's nominal model on other items by first doing their own phasing analysis. Indeed, it might be helpful to share these kind of work ups on this board.

ATB

 

Geomean

 

Here's the link.

 

 

http://foundationmem...8/cm_2008_1.pdf

 

 

 
 
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Edited by Geomean, 17 March 2017 - 04:29 PM.

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#2 Geomean

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Posted 17 March 2017 - 04:36 PM

BTW, John, the Silent One, made an excellent presentation of his custom gold and miner's models and how he performed his phasing analysis in the 17 October 2016 Sentient Trader webinar on You Tube.  It is remarkable also given the large amount of historical data he gathered before making his analysis.


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#3 SilentOne

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Posted 20 March 2017 - 01:29 PM

Hi Geomean,

 

Yes Ray's work is a great reference and I've used it for the basis of my crude oil Hurst cycle work for many years. I much prefer a 21-22 month cycle period (ie. 3 x 22 vs 2 x 33) for oil and it looks increasingly like we've seen the high for that cycle here in recent weeks. I was originally thinking that the high would come in May/June. If oil has already made that cycle top, it would be problematic for many markets into the summer. I'll have to update my view on it. I have been watching closely.

 

http://forum.hurstcy...cle-in-play/316

 

cheers,

john


Edited by SilentOne, 20 March 2017 - 01:30 PM.

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#4 Geomean

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Posted 20 March 2017 - 05:24 PM

Thanks John, Ray is a gem, I love his website and insights, especially the universe size waves discussion, and their harmonics and the power shift diagrams. His studies on economic cycles are also excellent.  Thanks for your oil analysis link!  I look forward to studying it.

Geo


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