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#1 dTraderB

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Posted 08 July 2019 - 03:46 PM

FED will be getting increasingly hawkish as they try to tamp down the insatiable appetite for rate cuts from a market behaving like a spoiled brat that is ready to throw tantrums if it does not get its rate cuts from the beleaguered FED that is taking heavy incoming from all directions, it seems. 

 

So, expect a 25bps rate cut and hawkish comments/commentary/press conference on the same day. Markets will then tank all the way below SPX 2800. 

 

But for July, market marking time, up & down, mainly up, until the FED meeting.

At time, the FED will tell the market: "Here, market, take a bone, and now go out and play in the yard, we got no more for you until way down the line, if there is any at all."  Market does down even more....

 

So how does the market force the FED's hand for more rate cuts?

 

Simple, easy: crash the market to SPX 2700 or lower and you will get a slew of rate cuts! But, says the market, we do not want the markets down while we want rate cuts to take it higher! 

No, you can't have BOTH. 

 

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"it becomes much harder for the Fed to justify cutting rates. It seems the market has to be prepared for a Fed meaningfully more hawkish at its July 31st meeting than currently priced in." - BofA



#2 dTraderB

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Posted 08 July 2019 - 03:48 PM

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The street just don't get it. This Fed isn't nearly as compliant as the previous two Fed regimes. Everything they have done so far confirmed it. The stock "mkt" with its wild, hope-filled rallies is in complete denial.

1:17 PM - 8 Jul 2019
 
and this is exactly what I expect:
 
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A bit of panic before July 31st is just what the doctor ordered. Then the Fed is justified.

1:15 PM - 8 Jul 
 

 

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A bit of panic before July 31st is just what the doctor ordered. Then the Fed is justified.

1:15 PM - 8 Jul 


#3 dTraderB

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Posted 08 July 2019 - 03:51 PM

Many forecasts for higher SPX, example:

 

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Posted 08 July 2019 - 08:01 PM

Their "top" is just above my target SPX 2020/30 for an IT high

 

“We certainly have stretched the upper end of it. But I do think we can make a bit more progress over the next four to six weeks,” Newton said Friday on CNBC’s “Trading Nation. ” “I’m still bullish on the S&P. I think we likely get up to 3,040 to 3,070 or so before we stall out.”

The S&P 500 would need to rally another 3% to reach the upper end of that range at 3,070. Any move over 2,996 would mark an all-time high.

Lagging sectors joining in on the recent move higher also give Newton hope that the rally can continue through the summer.

“You look at financials starting to participate. That’s a big plus for stocks being that they’re almost 13% of the S&P. Health care and transports have also been coming back so those are all encouraging signs,” Newton said. “Near term I do think it’s right to bet on higher prices in July and into August before we see any real slowdown,” he said.

 

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Posted 08 July 2019 - 08:05 PM

Weaker growth will offset a Fed rate cut—so sell stocks, warns Morgan Stanley 

 

https://www.marketwa...w_theo_homepage



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Posted 08 July 2019 - 08:07 PM

If this happens, stocks will drop initially but zoom up after... that initial drop would be a great long entry!

 

Could the Fed surprise the stock market by skipping a July rate cut? It’s not out of the question

https://www.marketwa...w_theo_homepage



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Posted 08 July 2019 - 08:12 PM

Dave is dam sure of this upcoming recession:

 

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Adding insult to injury was the OECD leading indicator, which dipped in May to 99 from 99.1 in April and 99.3 at the turn of the year. The overall level is now the lowest since the global economy was trying its utmost to climb out of the Great Recession in late summer 2009.

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10:23 AM - 8 Jul 2019


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Posted 08 July 2019 - 08:13 PM

really sure it's coming....

 

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For those who "can't see the recession", it's illustrated for you in this chart. The NY Fed model now pegs recession risk at 32.9%, a 12-year high. History shows there's no turning back at this level.

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8:28 AM - 8 Jul 2019


#9 dTraderB

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Posted 08 July 2019 - 08:17 PM

wow!

 

23% of all trading volume on the NYSE happens in the final half hour of the day. 90% of each day’s activity has to do with indexes, quants and rules-based options strategies. The media thinks it can divine profundity from the remaining 10%.

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7:01 AM - 8 Jul 2019


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Posted 08 July 2019 - 08:25 PM

I focused on daytrading after the 2008 crash.....

 

"They’re offering newfangled trend-following strategies to big-money investors that work over the course of hours and minutes, rather than the traditional timeframe of months and weeks."

 

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