35 replies to this topic

[andr99]

well, I want to say one thing. The climate here where I live, has surely changed a lot in comparison to 30 years ago. Back then Winters were as foggy as you cannot imagine. Hundreds of deaths on the roads, especially highways, every Autumn and Winter. It was colder and it was usually absolutely foggy, here in the Po Valley, Northern italy. That foggy climate has completely disappeared and Winter's cold temperatures begin much later. Only a lier might say this change is not real. But when it comes to find the reason why of that, it's far more complicated than people believe. Because climate is the sum of many variables and when you say it's human industries' C02 the core of the problem, you should provide evidence for what you are saying. And so far no one has provided it, as far as I know. It might be a peak in the Sun's activity which is cyclical or it might be whatever else. If it is man, please prove it and prove it soon.

[jacek]

It hasnt changed at all...your personal memories of anything having to do with climatology has or has been successfully altered, conditioned, to preserve a bias.

Climate zones never change, or at least, during your lifetime.

Fib

I got to agree with this:  95oF today feels just like 95oF 100 years years ago  

[jacek]

It hasnt changed at all...your personal memories of anything having to do with climatology has or has been successfully altered, conditioned, to preserve a bias.

Climate zones never change, or at least, during your lifetime.

Fib

I got to agree with this:  95oF today feels just like 95oF 100 years ago  

Edited by jacek, 02 October 2019 - 11:48 AM.

[MDurkin]

Fringe Science:

 

https://www.youtube....h?v=fwXQjRBLwsQ

 

Any conclusions based on this theory are bound to be revised at some point.Hold on to your beliefs with a light grip so you will be able to let go easier.

[dasein]

 

 

 

Here's a great video for the "green weenies:" https://www.youtube....eature=youtu.be

 

Great find...finally someone providing solid evidence of this ongoing hoax of something that human's can't control or don't understand which manipulates the emotional animal that we are as humans.

 

In scientific reality, there are only four incontrovertible facts that make up the Earth's climate from which weather is created.

 

I have found, however, that very few want to know what these facts are for fear it would upset their learned truths.

 

That said, if anyone is interested, I will come back and list them...it's not that hard to figure out for anyone who actually took a class in climatology, meteorology or even geology.

 

You will also find that each one of these four facts are never, EVER discussed by the climate alarmists as this would surely put an end to their unending bullying and greed of capital.

 

Fib

 

you are full of opinions but do not offer any basis in fact- so what are your incontrovertible facts and how do they explain global warming and cooling? do not diss NASA the govt does great work at many agencies incl Nasa and USGS...

 

Are you really interested in knowing or are you, once again, looking for a fight??

 

It would seem that everyone has their own opinions on this debate, but very few ask for substance to stand behind their conclusions.

 

NASA is a extension of current Government activist bias in order to maintain their control over the masses. Very few who work there are independent of politics....if at all (very much like a union).

 

And besides, as a tax payer, I can "diss" anyone I wish since I'm paying their salaries.

 

Now...to the question at hand...what are the four incontrovertible facts that determine climate that humans can not control?

 

1) The Sun.

 

2) Water Vapor

 

3) Topography

 

4) The Tilt of the Earth on it's Axis

 

These are the only factors that determine climate in any region on the planet, and therefore, the weather that is created by such factors.

 

They are indisputable, incontrovertible scientific facts of which you will never hear about by climate alarmists, because if they do, then everyone would know that there isn't way, shape or form that we can alter these factors to make a difference.

 

It's always amazing to me that we puny, insignificant animals have the absolute arrogance that we can control anything on this large of scale and depth...I yield the floor.

 

Fib

 

i worked at Nasa and that was not the case - and on what do you base your sweeping assumptions you still have not given any facts

[andr99]

.........4 ingredients ? And such things as the Gulf's current which brings a warmer climate to England ? Not contemplated ? Oh yes, we don' t like the currents in the oceans, so that in our self made model, we don' t contemplate them. Very well.....LOL. 

As far as I know, nothing is fixed forever on Earth, climate included. It may change cyclically, but it changes. In the Northern emisphere now we are in Autumn, in the Southern emisphere they are in Spring. We have Winter in December, they have Summer. In a few thousand years we will have Summer and they will have Winter. It is called precession of the Earth's rotational axis. In other words the Earth's rotational axis rotates itself around an axis which has a fixed direction in space. Which thing leads to the consequence that every few thousand years there is the inversion I described before. So what is the problem if everything continually changes ? Climate, continents..........as well as......everything else ? The problem is to establish if humans have something to do with the global warming, which is real. A proof is needed for such an assertion.....even if such assertion comes from a serious thing such as the NASA. Otherwise I might think it's just a peak of the Sun's activity for example.....

Edited by andr99, 02 October 2019 - 03:57 PM.