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#1 Iblayz

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Posted 30 October 2019 - 05:43 PM

I have no position in Apple. I respect what they have accomplished. Since the news broke that they increased production for their new product line, the stock has been in a relentless climb. So the consensus must be that there is HUGE demand for their new product line, their sales are going to the moon, the stock is going to the moon and, as a result, all must be well in lala-land. I personally hope the latter is true. But, if it is, it won't be because of Apple. Here is the reality.

 

The company just announced quarter 4 earnings (their 4th quarter ends on September 30th each year). They earned an astonishing $3.03 per share against consensus estimates of $2.83 per share. Revenue was $64.04 billion versus consensus of $62.86 billion. Wow, they killed it......or did they? EPS increased .04% YOY. Revenue increased 1.8% YOY. There is more in the bigger picture.

 

Fiscal 2018 EPS was $11.87 per share. And fiscal 2019 EPS ended where? That would be $11.85 per share. And this after boatloads of share buybacks that prop up earnings per share. Revenue for the year that ended September 30, 2018 was $265.595 billion. Revenue for the year that ended September 30, 2019 was........hold your breath now.......remember.......this is BULLISH......$260.174 billion. That's right. Revenues decreased year-over-year as did earnings per share AFTER buybacks.

 

The midpoint of their guidance for Quarter 1 (ends December 31, 2019 and annually is the strongest quarter) was $87.5 billion. Whoopee! The consensus was for revenue of $86.21 billion. All must be well. Wait. Pay attention here. Their quarter 1 revenue for the quarter that ended December 31, 2017 was $88.293 billion. So their forward guidance says.......In two years the company has gone NOWHERE! And for that we celebrate.

 

Oh, I almost forgot. There's another little tidbit. Their number ONE revenue item is iPhone revenue. That number for the quarter was $33.4 billion. Consensus was for iPhone revenue of $32.5 billion. Yippee again! Oh, wait. That number was DOWN 9% year-over-year. So, as it relates to their number one revenue item, they beat an estimate number that was terrible to begin with.

 

What a game! And the beat goes on.......and the beat goes on.......

 

And, in edit,  I almost forgot. That stock run since the news broke that they had ramped up iPhone production has to mean there is huge demand. I keep thinking about this one little thing. So far, as it relates to tariffs, Apple has skated by pretty clean. They have been granted waivers and exemptions that have resulted in little interference with their numbers. But, the planned tariffs for December 15th, which have NOT been removed or delayed yet, will affect them. They have a ton of cash. What if they decided to invest some of that cash in themselves and "buy inventory forward" in order to minimize the effects of presumed tariffs? Just a thought.


Edited by Iblayz, 30 October 2019 - 05:51 PM.


#2 Tim Johnson

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Posted 30 October 2019 - 05:59 PM

If you think Apple is strictly an iPhone company, I can see how you could have this misinformed opinion. 

 

Also, this quarter a year ago, iPhone revenue was down 12%, so down 9% is an improvement. Services, wearables, it's more than an iPhone company.

 

Short at your own peril.



#3 bighouse1006

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Posted 30 October 2019 - 08:02 PM

Apple is a cult.

#4 LMF

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Posted 30 October 2019 - 08:25 PM

When AAPL is finally trading at PE ratio above 100..... then it will time to start worrying. Whats it at now......like 10 maybe. Until then its like cake.....

#5 Iblayz

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Posted 30 October 2019 - 08:32 PM

If you think Apple is strictly an iPhone company, I can see how you could have this misinformed opinion. 

 

Also, this quarter a year ago, iPhone revenue was down 12%, so down 9% is an improvement. Services, wearables, it's more than an iPhone company.

 

Short at your own peril.

 

Misinformed? About what? Did I say that Apple was strictly an iPhone Company? No, I didn't. I simply said that iPhone revenue is their largest source of revenue and that is a FACT!

I pointed out that their earnings per share actually DROPPED year-over-year after massive stock buybacks, and that is a FACT!

I pointed out that their revenue DROPPED year-over-year, and that is a FACT!

I pointed out that their forward quarterly guidance, even though "above consensus" is flat to down versus TWO YEAR OLD actual revenues, and that is a FACT!

Did I say that I was short Apple? No, I didn't. I have never been short Apple, and that is a FACT!

I would never be stupid enough to short a Bubblebutt Momo Wonder Puppy stock, and that is a FACT!

I am aware of the narrative. I know it well. They have constantly been on the cutting edge in terms of product advancement and cutting edge improvement. And they have been desperately trying to develop a new growth trend that the masses can hang their hat on. They have consistently raised prices over the last few years. In spite of this, the REAL NUMBERS say that, as it currently stands, Apple is a zero growth company. That is a FACT!

Now, maybe the facts can change. Maybe they will succeed in overcoming the very obvious stagnation in a soaring economy. I am certainly aware that those trading on hopes and dreams regard that as FACT!

Finally, I suffered no illusion here. I realized that a somewhat negative post about a market darling would rub some the wrong way. That is also a FACT!



#6 da_cheif

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Posted 31 October 2019 - 05:44 AM

i love making money eh     https://www.siliconi...47&srchtxt=aapl



#7 dasein

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Posted 31 October 2019 - 09:52 AM

perception is the most important factor- thanks or the facts iblayz


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