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#1 Iblayz

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Posted 01 June 2020 - 10:02 PM

New coronavirus losing potency, top Italian doctor says

ROME (Reuters) - The new coronavirus is losing its potency and has become much less lethal, a senior Italian doctor said on Sunday.

 

“In reality, the virus clinically no longer exists in Italy,” said Alberto Zangrillo, the head of the San Raffaele Hospital in Milan in the northern region of Lombardy, which has borne the brunt of Italy’s coronavirus contagion.

“The swabs that were performed over the last 10 days showed a viral load in quantitative terms that was absolutely infinitesimal compared to the ones carried out a month or two months ago,” he told RAI television.

Italy has the third highest death toll in the world from COVID-19, with 33,415 people dying since the outbreak came to light on Feb. 21. It has the sixth highest global tally of cases at 233,019.

However new infections and fatalities have fallen steadily in May and the country is unwinding some of the most rigid lockdown restrictions introduced anywhere on the continent.

Zangrillo said some experts were too alarmist about the prospect of a second wave of infections and politicians needed to take into account the new reality.

“We’ve got to get back to being a normal country,” he said. “Someone has to take responsibility for terrorizing the country.”

The government urged caution, saying it was far too soon to claim victory.

“Pending scientific evidence to support the thesis that the virus has disappeared ... I would invite those who say they are sure of it not to confuse Italians,” Sandra Zampa, an undersecretary at the health ministry, said in a statement.

“We should instead invite Italians to maintain the maximum caution, maintain physical distancing, avoid large groups, to frequently wash their hands and to wear masks.”

 

A second doctor from northern Italy told the national ANSA news agency that he was also seeing the coronavirus weaken.

“The strength the virus had two months ago is not the same strength it has today,” said Matteo Bassetti, head of the infectious diseases clinic at the San Martino hospital in the city of Genoa.

“It is clear that today the COVID-19 disease is different.”

 

https://www.reuters....s-idUSKBN2370OQ

 

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Although daily COVID-19 cases continue to rise, daily deaths are steadily decreasing after reaching a peak in mid-April. The increase in positive cases reflects mass testing around the world, not a virus that is rapidly spreading. Italy, specifically, now averages fewer than 100 COVID-19 deaths per day after becoming the global epicenter just two months ago.

 

The decrease in potency means nations should reopen, Zangrillo said.

In fact, the doctor said there should be accountability for leaders who enacted such harsh lockdowns when the virus never lived up to the scientific predictions.

 

https://www.theblaze.com/news/coronavirus-becoming-much-less-lethal-virus-is-losing-its-potency-top-doctor-reveals

 

Note: Emphasis is MINE!


Edited by Iblayz, 01 June 2020 - 10:06 PM.


#2 dwnowhere1

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Posted 01 June 2020 - 10:38 PM

 

In fact, the doctor said there should be accountability for leaders who enacted such harsh lockdowns when the virus never lived up to the scientific predictions.

 

So if the virus killed 100 million people you want to make the guy a saint, but if he/she predicted wrong you want to punish him / her.

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#3 gannman

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Posted 02 June 2020 - 04:11 AM

i have heard other people say the same thing. my question is can the old more severe strain

 

resurrect itself. i dont have a clue but i am sure glad that it is getting weaker that is for sure


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#4 K Wave

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Posted 02 June 2020 - 07:33 AM

Google Dr Luc Montagnier (Nobel Prize winner for HIV work) and his thoughts on what was almost certainly likely to happen to the virus over time due to the unnatural things (molecular tinkering) he and his team found when they looked at SARS-CoV-2.

 

Pretty much is exactly what the Docs in Italy are describing.

Looks like another yet another "conspiracy theory", (this one got Zerohedge banned from the censors at Twitter for even posting such a thought) may be real after all.

Either that, or we are all just getting "lucky". Either way works for me.

 

In any case, this thesis, defended by Professor Luc Montagnier, has a positive turn. According to him, the altered elements of this virus are eliminated as it spreads: “Nature does not accept any molecular tinkering, it will eliminate these unnatural changes and even if nothing is done, things will get better, but unfortunately after many deaths.”


Edited by K Wave, 02 June 2020 - 07:33 AM.

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#5 pdx5

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Posted 02 June 2020 - 08:47 AM

https://thehill.com/...-for-first-time

 

Imagine that...ZERO deaths in Spain, one of the badly hit countries.

 

What I can't figure out is we had pandemics before. H1N1 was a much more potent virus, it killed healthy and young people.

covid-19 is a weak virus going by stats...88% deaths are from group with people with 2 or MORE comorbidities.

That group is NOT the American work force. It is mostly old and retired people who would have died soon even  if

covid-19 never showed up from China.

 

But we never shutdown the country before. Why this time???

Now they are trying to shutdown the country again with riots and looting.

And the politicians and media are deafeningly silent denouncing the looting and violence.

Why? What is different this time?


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#6 risktaker

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Posted 02 June 2020 - 03:51 PM

Most people are denouncing police violence all over the world. In case you havent watched the news, some States have police needlessly imposing reckless violence and shooting at reporters during the protests. Thus escalating the situation.

The looting are often organized crimes, and most police have been ignoring that as if it will help their cause.

This will not end until the violence is acknowledged and the police adopt impromptu changes to the way they fight crime.

One way they can change violence is having a team of networked experts behind the scenes to monitor arrests. The team monitors crime through networked cameras and communication equipment.

The remote superiors have clear view of what is happening and communicate with the police about what effective actions to take and appropriate techniques to use. Thereby reducing unnecessary force.

Edited by risktaker, 02 June 2020 - 03:53 PM.


#7 Iblayz

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Posted 02 June 2020 - 05:44 PM

And there is more. In my late day browsing and reading I came across some more head turners. Of course, if you are one of the ones with your head up the government's butt (and you intend to keep it there), then I am just a blowhard and this is all conspiracy stuff. It seems there are bunches out there now who denounce anything that disagrees with our know-it-all governments official positions on the virus mess and that includes the thought police at Google/YouTube and Twitter. I started to just let this go but what the heck.......you are NOT going to get any story like this from CNN, NBC, ABC, CBS and the like. Saw a note from a reader in Sweden on Armstrong's site. This is what he said.....

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In Sweden the schools (1-9 grade) have not been closed for a single day during March-May. High schools and universities have been locked down with digital lectures, but exams are in classrooms as normal. Bar desks are closed, but buffés (smörgåsbord) and serving at every second table have been allowed during corona. That is about all of the restrictions by law and regulations. We have been free to shop, go to the gym and be outside at all times. Buses and metros have been open all along.

Then there has also been a sophisticated scare mongering with daily press briefings and voluntary official recommendations into a public panic, with Government and media pumping up the panic model on a daily basis. So in fact the economy has been deliberately and effectively crashed down very hard. But once again schools and restaurants have been open all along.

The death rate with (not necessarily because of!!!) corona is not very high and April is just the fifth highest overall deadly month during the past 20 years. Actually January was more deadly than April. Perhaps most importantly is that the average age of people dying with corona (not necessarily because of) is much higher of ca 88 years compared with the average age of the entire population being 81 years for men and 85 years for women. So children was not lethally infected nor were their parents, despite having schools open each day during March-May. Most of the dead in corona were never taken into the intensive care system (which was the reason to ”flatten the curve”) due to being too weak from 2-3 other underlying serious health conditions and of old age >80 years. Additionally, most of the dead in the corona statistics were not actually clinically tested to confirm the virus but most often just estimated to likely have had the virus due to some observed symptoms. Most never had an autopsy to determine the real cause of death.

The world has gone crazy! Maybe the open Swedish schools and the lack of lockdown in Sweden can make people open their eyes and start to think logically in order to avoid panicking due to scary headlines.

What have they done to us?

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JH (Sweden)

 

https://www.armstron...-reality-check/

 

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And then there was a link to this....Note that the standard practice of attacking the messenger was applied once the story broke. The guy was suspended from his job, had his laptop confiscated, and was advised to hire a lawyer. And all he did was leak a (buried) report that had been commissioned by the department that employed him.

 

German Official Leaks Report Denouncing Corona as ‘A Global False Alarm’

 

Germany’s federal government and mainstream media are engaged in damage control after a report that challenges the established Corona narrative leaked from the interior ministry.

Some of the report key passages are:

  • The dangerousness of Covid-19 was overestimated: probably at no point did the danger posed by the new virus go beyond the normal level.
  • The people who die from Corona are essentially those who would statistically die this year, because they have reached the end of their lives and their weakened bodies can no longer cope with any random everyday stress (including the approximately 150 viruses currently in circulation).
  • Worldwide, within a quarter of a year, there has been no more than 250,000 deaths from Covid-19, compared to 1.5 million deaths [25,100 in Germany] during the influenza wave 2017/18.
  • The danger is obviously no greater than that of many other viruses. There is no evidence that this was more than a false alarm.
  • A reproach could go along these lines: During the Corona crisis the State has proved itself as one of the biggest producers of Fake News.

So far, so bad. But it gets worse.

The report focuses on the “manifold and heavy consequences of the Corona measures” and warns that these are “grave”.

More people are dying because of state-imposed Corona-measures than they are being killed by the virus.

The reason is a scandal in the making:

A Corona-focused German healthcare system is postponing life-saving surgery and delaying or reducing treatment for non-Corona patients.

Berlin in Denial Mode. The scientists fight back.

Initially, the government tried to dismiss the report as “the work of one employee”, and its contents as “his own opinion” – while the journalists closed ranks, no questions asked, with the politicians.

But the 93-pages report titled “Analysis of the Crisis Management” has been drafted by a scientific panel appointed by the interior ministry and composed by external medical experts from several German universities.

The report was the initiative of a department of the interior ministry called Unit KM4 and in charge with the “Protection of critical infrastructures”.

This is also where the German official turned whistleblower, Stephen Kohn, work(ed), and from where he leaked it to the media.

The authors of the report issued a joint press release already on Mai 11th, berating the government for ignoring expert advise, and asking for the interior minister to officially comment upon the experts joint statement:

“Therapeutic and preventive measures should never bring more harm than the illness itself. Their aim should be to protect the risk groups, without endegearing the availibilty of medical care and the health of the whole population, as it is unfortunately occurring”

“We in the scientific and medical praxis are experiencing the secondary damages of the Corona-measures on our patients on a dialy basis.”

“We therefore ask the Federal Ministry of the Interior, to comment upon our press release, and we hope for a pertinent discussion regarding the [Corona] measures, one that leads to the best possible solution for the whole population”

At the time of writing, the German government had yet to react.

But the facts are – sadly – vindicating the medical experts’ worries.

On Mai 23 the German newspaper Das Bild titled: “Dramatic consequences of the Corona-Measures: 52,000 Cancer Ops delayed.”

Inside, a aeading medical doctor warns that “we will feel the side-effects of the Corona crisis for years”.

Shooting the Whistleblower. Ignoring the Message.

As their Spiegel reported on Mai 15th: “Stephen Kohn [the whistleblower] has since been suspended from duty. He was advised to obtain a lawyer and his work laptop was confiscated.”

Kohn had originally leaked the report on May 9th to the liberal-conservative magazine Tichys Einblick one of Germany’s most popular alternative media outlets.

News of the report went mainstream in Germany during the second week of Mai – but already in the third week media and politicians alike stopped discussing the issue by refusing to comment upon it.

Emblematic was the approach taken by Günter Krings, the representative for Interior Minister Horst Seehofer – the whistleblower’s boss:

Asked it he would treat the document seriously, Krings replied:

“If you start analyzing papers like that, then pretty soon you’ll be inviting the guys with the tin foil hats to parliamentary hearings.”

Men in tin foil hats – Aluhut in German – is a term used to describe people who believe in conspiracy theories.

Indeed one article by their Spiegel adressing the Corona protest movement and the consequences of the leaked report contained the word “conspiracy” no fewer than 17 times!

And no discussions of the issues raised by the report itself.

Outside Germany the news has virtually gone unreported.

The Protest Movement – or “Corona-Rebellen”.

Germans begun demonstrating against Lockdowns as early as April.

And thousands of citizens keep showing up at demos every week-end, even as the government is easing the restrictions.

The demos are not merely against restrictions, which have actually been comparatively mild compared to many other Western countries.

The demos question the entire Corona Narrative, and even more its principals, especially the role Bill Gates is playing, as the WHO second biggest donor (the first one since Trump suspended U.S. contribution).

Indeed the biggest such demos took place in Stuttgart on May 9th, where tens of thousands people assempled to say no – to the NWO.

Germans are saying no to any orwellian solution the government might one day impose out of a questionable “emergency status”, from mass surveillance Apps to mandatory vaccinations.

The leaked report has proved their fears to be well founded.

At least as far as the fake nature of the “Corona pandemic” is concerned.

The rest might soon follow.

 

https://www.strategi...al-false-alarm/

 

 

 

 



#8 risktaker

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Posted 02 June 2020 - 08:57 PM

Do you know about the children having horrible symptoms after they had the coronavirus? Or the many decently healthy people who died from the coronavirus?

I might agree with you that mainstream media is outdated. Videos and photographs from twitter and YouTube are much more descriptive at what is happening.

Listening to Trump directly through his video conferences tells you way more than his advertising on twitter feed.