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[robo]

You're not being lied too. You've been given multiple controlled studies showing it did not reduce patient death rates and one study showing the opposite. Unfortunately no amount of treatment compares to just wearing a mask. Prevention is by far a much better alternative than treatment. It's too bad there are politicians who continue to act like the seriousness of COVID is a fabrication. There's good reason the FDA and surgeon general have repeatedly advised against hydroxychloroquine.

 

CNN did report on it. https://www.cnn.com/...tudy/index.html

 

More than likely the improvement was the result of improved treatment regardless of hydroxychloroquine. Steroids, anti-inflammatory drugs. I'm going to believe multiple controlled studies which have been peer reviewed with supportive data over an observational study that threw hydroxychloroquine into a cocktail of drugs that are known to work. You're better of with steroids, anti-inflammatory drugs and improved treatment protocols. At the moment the government is sitting on a huge stock pile of hydroxychloroquine they don't know what to do with.

Yep....  If you don't like the results of a study..... Do other one, or another one, and maybe you will get the results you want. When Trump is involved there has to be a plot from the left to make him look bad. LOL.... chase it with bleach is what he was probably recommending....  

[robo]

 

You're not being lied too. You've been given multiple controlled studies showing it did not reduce patient death rates and one study showing the opposite. Unfortunately no amount of treatment compares to just wearing a mask. Prevention is by far a much better alternative than treatment. It's too bad there are politicians who continue to act like the seriousness of COVID is a fabrication. There's good reason the FDA and surgeon general have repeatedly advised against hydroxychloroquine.

 

CNN did report on it. https://www.cnn.com/...tudy/index.html

 

More than likely the improvement was the result of improved treatment regardless of hydroxychloroquine. Steroids, anti-inflammatory drugs. I'm going to believe multiple controlled studies which have been peer reviewed with supportive data over an observational study that threw hydroxychloroquine into a cocktail of drugs that are known to work. You're better of with steroids, anti-inflammatory drugs and improved treatment protocols. At the moment the government is sitting on a huge stock pile of hydroxychloroquine they don't know what to do with.

Yep....  If you don't like the results of a study..... Do other one, or another one, and maybe you will get the results you want. When Trump is involved there has to be a plot from the left to make him look bad. LOL.... chase it with bleach is what he was probably recommending....  

 

I don't care for the far right, and hate the far left. Starting to think the  Dems might take back the senate....

As for stocks...  I got a sell signal on the 1 hour chart at the close so I'm flat going into next week.... 

 

https://stockcharts....511&a=778809279

 

 

One would think a gap up on Monday.....

 

Currently VST trading SDS,SSO or the VXX using the 1 hour chart. The data went to a sell/cash position  at the close from a long position,  but I wouldn't have held over a 3 day weekend anyway.

 

Good Trading!

Edited by robo, 04 July 2020 - 01:39 PM.

[risktaker]

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You were being lied to.
 
Most of the studies that showed it had no effect were given to patients in advanced stage of disease, and in many cases at extremely high doses.
In addition to that, no one has ever said it was intended for use in the hospital setting other than folks who did studies that were intended to fail, so that a $20 preventative measure would not displace a $3000-5000 measure given in the hospital setting.
 
The entire premise of the HCQ treatment is to administer it early enough to keep people out of the hospital in the first place.
And for that purpose, the evidence thus far is overwhelming that it helps...a lot.

I have no idea whether we have been lied to (in this case) by the media, but I am absolutely sure that everyone have been lied to by the administration we have in power.

Trump could have been upfront and specific about the limitations of Hydroxychloroquine (HCQ). He mentioned Chloroquine, which lots of people died from and then he mentioned Azithromycin (AZ) with HCQ without saying that AZ would cause cardiac arrest in some patients.

He finally mentioned the triple treatment when Hydroxychloroquine was proven lethal in the larger studies.

You would think people are really adverse to Hydroxychloroquine by now, and that it would take a landslide study to make believers again.

[pdx5]

 

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Congrats risktaker! You win the award for the most un-informed post of the month!!

Either you have not bothered reading so many informative posts here re:HCQ  --or-- alright I won't go there.

[Rogerdodger]

Breaking news: Partners tennis more dangerous than singles tennis.

 

Or as Nassau County’s top public official Laura Curran famously said:

 

"You can kick their balls, but you can't touch them."

 

(I think that's where the danger comes in.)

[risktaker]

I have carefully listened to all of Trump coronavirus press talks about use of hydroxychloroquine, chloroquine, etc. where he mentioned these things directly out of his mouth.

If you have listened to Mr Trump, you would understand why people are so clueless.

[claire]

 

 

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Congrats risktaker! You win the award for the most un-informed post of the month!!

Either you have not bothered reading so many informative posts here re:HCQ  --or-- alright I won't go there.

 

 

 

Pdx, I think you should reconsider who is the most uninformed on this thread. Here's some information to consider:

 

This new study was NOT a double-blinded and randomly controlled study - the gold-standard in experimental design. It was an "observational study" and also was flawed by not controlling other variables. For eg, patients who received hydroxychloroquine also received double the amount of dexamethasone. This is a steroid which, by the way, is also very inexpensive and has been shown to lower the risk of dying by 20%. Also, patients with higher cardiac risk were excluded from the study.

The Oxford randomly controlled study tested thousands of hospitalized patients. This study and other peer-reviewed studies followed rigorous standards for experimental design. Some studies tested non-hospitalized patients without severe symptoms. Some tested those exposed to C-19 without symptoms to determine whether it had a protective effect. No meaningful mortality or preventative benefit was found in any of these.

 

The findings in this new recent observational study most certainly do not negated this body of evidence.

 

Here are a couple of articles to read carefully that offers this evidence. Neither is highly technical but summarizes these findings clearly. Those who  prefer conspiracy theories to evidence that doesn't substantiate what they want to believe are likely to dismiss any contrary findings. 

 

https://www.sciencem...revent-covid-19

 

https://www.nature.c...586-020-01824-5

[entre]

The anti-HCQ crowd prefers to cite evidence without Zinc, because they know HCQ treatments without Zinc are inferior to the ones with Zinc:

 

https://news.yahoo.c...-215732283.html

Washington (AFP) - The antimalarial drug hydroxychloroquine has shown mixed results against the coronavirus in early studies, but a new paper out of New York suggests combining it with the dietary supplement zinc sulfate could create a more effective treatment.

The research by the NYU Grossman School of Medicine was posted on a medical preprint site on Monday, meaning it hasn't yet been peer reviewed.

Records of about 900 COVID-19 patients were reviewed in the analysis, with roughly half given zinc sulfate along with hydroxychloroquine and the antibiotic azithromycin.

The other half only received hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin.

Those receiving the triple-drug combination had a 1.5 times greater likelihood of recovering enough to be discharged, and were 44 percent less likely to die, compared to the double-drug combination.

[claire]

 

The anti-HCQ crowd prefers to cite evidence without Zinc, because they know HCQ treatments without Zinc are inferior to the ones with Zinc:

 

https://news.yahoo.c...-215732283.html

Washington (AFP) - The antimalarial drug hydroxychloroquine has shown mixed results against the coronavirus in early studies, but a new paper out of New York suggests combining it with the dietary supplement zinc sulfate could create a more effective treatment.

The research by the NYU Grossman School of Medicine was posted on a medical preprint site on Monday, meaning it hasn't yet been peer reviewed.

Records of about 900 COVID-19 patients were reviewed in the analysis, with roughly half given zinc sulfate along with hydroxychloroquine and the antibiotic azithromycin.

The other half only received hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin.

Those receiving the triple-drug combination had a 1.5 times greater likelihood of recovering enough to be discharged, and were 44 percent less likely to die, compared to the double-drug combination.

 

 

 

You're grasping at straws. This was a non-peer reviewed, non-controlled study that was reported on March 11th and has not been confirmed. No valid conclusions can be drawn from this paper. This review quotes the author:  "Rahimian said that it may be that when used to treat coronavirus patients, it is the zinc that does the heavy lifting and is the primary substance attacking the pathogen."

[SemiBizz]

I would bet HEAVILY that those who are DISCOUNTING this treatment

 

Would be THE FIRST to ask for it, if they got INFECTED.

 

This whole thing is TRUMP DERANGEMENT SYNDROME.

 

Somebody needs to get over it.