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Posted 14 May 2007 - 03:26 PM

Professor Michael Oliver, writing in the British Medical Journal commenting on the results, writes

"As multiple intervention against risk factors for coronary heart disease in middle aged men at only moderate risk seem to have failed to reduce both morbidity and mortality such interventions become increasingly difficult to justify. This runs counter to the recommendations of many national and international advisory bodies which must now take the recent findings from Finland into consideration. Not to do so may be ethically unacceptable."

1. In Japan, intakes of animal fat have more than doubled since the end of the Second World War. Over the same period their incidence of coronary heart disease has fallen consistently. In Israel too an increased consumption of saturated fats was followed by a fall in coronary deaths.
2. The dietary changes in Sweden parallel those in the USA, yet heart disease mortality in Sweden was rising while American rates were falling.
3. There is also a threefold variation in rates of heart disease between France and Finland even though fat intake in those two countries is very similar.
4. Among south Asians in Britain there is an unusually high incidence of heart disease, yet living on largely vegetarian diets, they have low levels of blood cholesterol and eat diets that are low in saturated fat.
5. Indians in South Africa have probably the highest rates of coronary disease in the world yet there is no apparent reason why they should based on the current dietary hypotheses.
6. Until recently, Indians in India had a very low incidence of heart disease while using ghee (clarified butter), coconut oil and mustard seed oil - all of which are highly saturated. The epidemic of heart disease in India began only after these were replaced with peanut, safflower, sunflower, sesame and soybean oils, all of which are high in polyunsaturated oils.
7. Lastly, the World Health Organisation is apparently in ignorance of epidemiological data that do not support its recommendation to reduce dietary saturated fat. While it talks of coronary heart disease being responsible for most deaths in Caribbean countries, fat intake there is remarkably low.


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Posted 14 May 2007 - 04:26 PM

Seems to me that one's own hereditary predisposition to building up cholesterol plaque or not is a huge deal, i.e. does one have to worry about coronary/vascular disease on that score? I'm not a doctor and don't know if tending to have high or low levels of blood cholesterol, serum triglycerides, etc., parallel that or not, but my gut feeling is that dietary factors often take a back seat to such. Doug

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Posted 14 May 2007 - 05:41 PM

There is absolutely NO question that fast acting carbohydrates (sugars), are the REAL contributors to heart disease. NO QUESTION AT ALL. Low fat propoganda is rubbish. A large glass of orange juice will do more to clog your arteries than a fatty steak. Fat and protein are not the villians. Anyone who understands insulin and it's power to raise LDL cholesterol, will agree. Don't be fooled by all the bogus health promoting ads for juice. And of course soft drinks are even worse. Humans were never meant to consume large quantities of liquid sugar (and yes, juice is all sugar ... even V8 vegetable juice ... all carbohydrate). The scientific evidence is overwhelming. Best to all, C.C. :)

Edited by calmcookie, 14 May 2007 - 05:46 PM.


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Posted 14 May 2007 - 06:58 PM

A large glass of orange juice will do more to clog your arteries than a fatty steak



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Posted 14 May 2007 - 09:47 PM

The deadly effects of orange juice can be cut dramatically with an equal amount of vodka. I'm proof. About 80 proof.

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Posted 15 May 2007 - 09:22 AM

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Posted 17 October 2007 - 03:47 PM

In 1988, the surgeon general, C. Everett Koop, proclaimed ice cream to a be public-health menace right up there with cigarettes. Alluding to his office’s famous 1964 report on the perils of smoking, Dr. Koop announced that the American diet was a problem of “comparable” magnitude, chiefly because of the high-fat foods that were causing coronary heart disease and other deadly ailments.

That was a ludicrous statement, as Gary Taubes demonstrates in his new book meticulously debunking diet myths, “Good Calories, Bad Calories” (Knopf, 2007). The notion that fatty foods shorten your life began as a hypothesis based on dubious assumptions and data; when scientists tried to confirm it they failed repeatedly. The evidence against Häagen-Dazs was nothing like the evidence against Marlboros.

It may seem bizarre that a surgeon general could go so wrong. After all, wasn’t it his job to express the scientific consensus? But that was the problem. Dr. Koop was expressing the consensus. He, like the architects of the federal “food pyramid” telling Americans what to eat, went wrong by listening to everyone else. He was caught in what social scientists call a cascade.

We like to think that people improve their judgment by putting their minds together, and sometimes they do. The studio audience at “Who Wants to Be a Millionaire” usually votes for the right answer. But suppose, instead of the audience members voting silently in unison, they voted out loud one after another. And suppose the first person gets it wrong.

If the second person isn’t sure of the answer, he’s liable to go along with the first person’s guess. By then, even if the third person suspects another answer is right, she’s more liable to go along just because she assumes the first two together know more than she does. Thus begins an “informational cascade” as one person after another assumes that the rest can’t all be wrong.

Because of this effect, groups are surprisingly prone to reach mistaken conclusions even when most of the people started out knowing better, according to the economists Sushil Bikhchandani, David Hirshleifer and Ivo Welch. If, say, 60 percent of a group’s members have been given information pointing them to the right answer (while the rest have information pointing to the wrong answer), there is still about a one-in-three chance that the group will cascade to a mistaken consensus.

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Posted 17 October 2007 - 04:07 PM

Fat is not the villian ... not at all.

SUGAR (or the NUMBER of grams of carbohydrate ... THAT is the major contributor to heart disease, period).

Just read diabetes specialist, Dr. Richard K. Bernsteins books, or the work of Harvard Dean, Dr. Walter Willetts or books written by Bariatric specialists Dr. Mary and Michael Dan Eades, or biochemist, Dr. Barry Sears work or .... cardiac surgeon, Mehmet Oz or dozens of other credible doctors and scientists.

Hey, you could even read the most straight forward explanation of all, Feed Your Need[i] ... :P

Long life and health to all,

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Edited by calmcookie, 17 October 2007 - 04:08 PM.


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Posted 17 October 2007 - 06:18 PM

believe what you will.... the incidence of atherosclerotic disease has been dropping dramatically for several decades. Wonder why that is? Is it possible that loweing fat in the diet, and more attention to lipid lowering through statins and information has had an effect? Why is it, do you suppose, that there is LESS heart disease every year? Instead of listening to hucksters and book sellers, how about a critical analysis? Coronary artery disease remains the #1 killer, even though the rate is dropping fast. It would therefore be considered appropriate for concerned groups to address that issue in a responsible fashion. Kind of sad to see your loved one drop dead of a heart attack at a young age, don't you think? To tell people that "fat doesn't matter" and "sugar" or "carbs" is the "only" thing is irresponsible. And what is with this obsessive compulsion to mock science and medicine? Kind of odd, if you think about it.... You may not be interested in facts, but if you are, take a look at the data. Look at the NIH/CDC/AHA/ADA web sites and see what the FACTS are about rate of heart disease, incidence, etiology, treatment and prevention. This is a battle we are winning.... buy you might be surprised its not by telling people to avoid orange juice...:) mm
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Posted 18 June 2008 - 03:09 PM

The Tim Russert Fallout

It’s hard for me not to sit amazed at the job medicine has done convincing people we can control heart attacks. One only needs to review the many news stories regarding new journalist Tim Russert's untimely death to see the public fallout of our efforts to "educate" the populace about "screening tests" used to "prevent" the likelihood of having a heart attack. You see, with Mr. Russert's death, those tests have suffered a huge public relations nightmare.

Cholesterol screening and statins: dead in the water.

CT scanning for detection of plague to prevent heart attack: harpooned.

Stress testing to assure you're protected against the Big One: pulverized.

Not one darn thing predicted (or prevented) Mr. Russert's death.

Oh sure, there's plenty of others who want to jump right in to promote the next great lifestyle modification, rather than those darn cholesterol drugs as a way to save your life, provided of course, you buy their book. Or those who promise reduced mortality if everyone just got an ultrasound of their carotid arteries, even though this test still can't predict acute plaque rupture and the onset of a heart attack like Mr. Russert's.

You see, the entire industrial complex of healthcare technology and innovation was shaken, not because Mr. Russert was a nice guy and great journalist, but rather because they will have to explain why their technology isn't worth a darn at predicting heart attacks.

Welcome, my friends, to the world of real-life medicine rather than marketing.

Westby G. Fisher, MD, FACC is a board certified internist, cardiologist, and cardiac electrophysiologist (doctor specializing in heart rhythm disorders) practicing at Evanston Northwestern Healthcare, Evanston, IL and is an Associate Professor of Medicine at the Feinberg School of Medicine, Northwestern University, Evanston, IL.

I swear, American marketing has some people thinking that death is somehow optional!

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