Vanden Bossche tries again to warn

This time in really simple language for the slow kids in the back at Clown World School.

https://www.geertvan...mater-studiorum

This section pretty much sums it up: I.e. It is actually the vaxxed that are the selfish ones (can't say I blame those at real risk and in extreme fear), while those like myself who took the virus head on are doing our part to actually slow this thing down, as the gene shots are not going to do jack [bleeeep] in that regard, a could realistically make things eventually much worse.

"Now, if you didn’t contract Covid-19 in the past and you got fully vaccinated, you will (for now) be protected against (severe) disease. However, if your vaccination occurs as part of a mass vaccination campaign, you, together with all other vaccinees, will exert suboptimal immune selection pressure on viral infectiousness.

This will expedite the further expansion of circulating, more infectious variants and eventually lead to dominant circulation of an immune escape variant that is both highly infectious and S-Ab-resistant.

Although you will still have taken care of your personal health, the fact that you’re part of a ‘universal’ vaccination effort will have a detrimental impact on public health in that it first threatens the unvaccinated but ultimately also all of the vaccinated people (as explained under i) and ii) above). That’s why I am always warning about snapshots and short-term perspectives."

He also talks about the complete idiocy of of attempting to vaccinate kids with very imperfect vaccines that will exacerbate the mutant problem even further, when those kids could be used at extremely low risk to greatly help achieve herd immunity.

"It’s exactly this attitude that is now motivating our health authorities and politicians to rapidly expand mass vaccination campaigns to youngsters and children. If one thinks pandemic- and public health-'wise’, we should of course do whatever we can to not further promote breeding of highly infectious variants such as to not allow them to become resistant to S-specific Abs (an evolution which is now well on its way!).

This is to say that extending mass vaccination to our children is not going to help anybody. We need to protect them as much as we can through measures other than to vaccinate them with any of the current C-19 vaccines (see previous contributions of mine). They’re having the best chances to resist the high infectious pressure from the Delta variant. When asymptomatically infected, they are key to diminishing the infection rate from more infectious variants, whereas their recovery from symptomatic infection is key to building herd immunity!"

I have been getting near daily Covid-postive close contact alerts from the both of my kids' schools for the past few weeks.

Not a single one of the kids has been anywhere close to seriously ill, and of course my kids who are already immune have not even had a sniffle.

So every time I see one, I say "Yay, another on the good side...the more the merrier."

And lastly.....

"None of the current Covid-19 vaccines can live up to the challenge of controlling a pandemic of a highly mutable virus, let alone when variants are already predominantly circulating. When vaccines work, but are not perfect, and you massively deploy them in the heat of a furious (Delta!) pandemic, then you’re in really deep trouble."

Am hoping, even though I know it is pretty much impossible at this late stage, that folks wake up to the actual reality of things before full immune escape occurs (just a few RBD changes needed), and we go into really uncharted waters.....

This time in really simple language for the slow kids in the back at Clown World School.

 

https://www.geertvan...mater-studiorum

 

This section pretty much sums it up: I.e. It is actually the vaxxed that are the selfish ones (can't say I blame those at real risk and in extreme fear), while those like myself who took the virus head on are doing our part to actually slow this thing down, as the gene shots are not going to do jack [bleeeep] in that regard, a could realistically make things eventually much worse.

 

"Now, if you didn’t contract Covid-19 in the past and you got fully vaccinated, you will (for now) be protected against (severe) disease. However, if your vaccination occurs as part of a mass vaccination campaign, you, together with all other vaccinees, will exert suboptimal immune selection pressure on viral infectiousness.

 

This will expedite the further expansion of circulating, more infectious variants and eventually lead to dominant circulation of an immune escape variant that is both highly infectious and S-Ab-resistant.

 

Although you will still have taken care of your personal health, the fact that you’re part of a ‘universal’ vaccination effort will have a detrimental impact on public health in that it first threatens the unvaccinated but ultimately also all of the vaccinated people (as explained under i) and ii) above). That’s why I am always warning about snapshots and short-term perspectives."

 

He also talks about the complete idiocy of of attempting to vaccinate kids with very imperfect vaccines that will exacerbate the mutant problem even further, when those kids could be used at extremely low risk to greatly help achieve herd immunity.

 

"It’s exactly this attitude that is now motivating our health authorities and politicians to rapidly expand mass vaccination campaigns to youngsters and children. If one thinks pandemic- and public health-'wise’, we should of course do whatever we can to not further promote breeding of highly infectious variants such as to not allow them to become resistant to S-specific Abs (an evolution which is now well on its way!).

 

This is to say that extending mass vaccination to our children is not going to help anybody. We need to protect them as much as we can through measures other than to vaccinate them with any of the current C-19 vaccines (see previous contributions of mine). They’re having the best chances to resist the high infectious pressure from the Delta variant. When asymptomatically infected, they are key to diminishing the infection rate from more infectious variants, whereas their recovery from symptomatic infection is key to building herd immunity!"

 

I have been getting near daily Covid-postive close contact alerts from the both of my kids' schools for the past few weeks.

Not a single one of the kids has been anywhere close to seriously ill, and of course my kids who are already immune have not even had a sniffle.

So every time I see one, I say "Yay, another on the good side...the more the merrier."

 

And lastly.....

 

"None of the current Covid-19 vaccines can live up to the challenge of controlling a pandemic of a highly mutable virus, let alone when variants are already predominantly circulating. When vaccines work, but are not perfect, and you massively deploy them in the heat of a furious (Delta!) pandemic, then you’re in really deep trouble."

 

Am hoping, even though I know it is pretty much impossible at this late stage, that folks wake up to the actual reality of things before full immune escape occurs (just a few RBD changes needed), and we go into really uncharted waters.....

 

I won't even begin to address the false information offered by this veterinarian/virologist other than to say that he doesn't know what he's talking about. 

 

This time in really simple language for the slow kids in the back at Clown World School.

 

https://www.geertvan...mater-studiorum

 

This section pretty much sums it up: I.e. It is actually the vaxxed that are the selfish ones (can't say I blame those at real risk and in extreme fear), while those like myself who took the virus head on are doing our part to actually slow this thing down, as the gene shots are not going to do jack [bleeeep] in that regard, a could realistically make things eventually much worse.

 

"Now, if you didn’t contract Covid-19 in the past and you got fully vaccinated, you will (for now) be protected against (severe) disease. However, if your vaccination occurs as part of a mass vaccination campaign, you, together with all other vaccinees, will exert suboptimal immune selection pressure on viral infectiousness.

 

This will expedite the further expansion of circulating, more infectious variants and eventually lead to dominant circulation of an immune escape variant that is both highly infectious and S-Ab-resistant.

 

Although you will still have taken care of your personal health, the fact that you’re part of a ‘universal’ vaccination effort will have a detrimental impact on public health in that it first threatens the unvaccinated but ultimately also all of the vaccinated people (as explained under i) and ii) above). That’s why I am always warning about snapshots and short-term perspectives."

 

He also talks about the complete idiocy of of attempting to vaccinate kids with very imperfect vaccines that will exacerbate the mutant problem even further, when those kids could be used at extremely low risk to greatly help achieve herd immunity.

 

"It’s exactly this attitude that is now motivating our health authorities and politicians to rapidly expand mass vaccination campaigns to youngsters and children. If one thinks pandemic- and public health-'wise’, we should of course do whatever we can to not further promote breeding of highly infectious variants such as to not allow them to become resistant to S-specific Abs (an evolution which is now well on its way!).

 

This is to say that extending mass vaccination to our children is not going to help anybody. We need to protect them as much as we can through measures other than to vaccinate them with any of the current C-19 vaccines (see previous contributions of mine). They’re having the best chances to resist the high infectious pressure from the Delta variant. When asymptomatically infected, they are key to diminishing the infection rate from more infectious variants, whereas their recovery from symptomatic infection is key to building herd immunity!"

 

I have been getting near daily Covid-postive close contact alerts from the both of my kids' schools for the past few weeks.

Not a single one of the kids has been anywhere close to seriously ill, and of course my kids who are already immune have not even had a sniffle.

So every time I see one, I say "Yay, another on the good side...the more the merrier."

 

And lastly.....

 

"None of the current Covid-19 vaccines can live up to the challenge of controlling a pandemic of a highly mutable virus, let alone when variants are already predominantly circulating. When vaccines work, but are not perfect, and you massively deploy them in the heat of a furious (Delta!) pandemic, then you’re in really deep trouble."

 

Am hoping, even though I know it is pretty much impossible at this late stage, that folks wake up to the actual reality of things before full immune escape occurs (just a few RBD changes needed), and we go into really uncharted waters.....

 

I won't even begin to address the false information offered by this veterinarian/virologist other than to say that he doesn't know what he's talking about. 

 

u prolly believe Foul Cheese

 

I won't even begin to address the false information offered by this veterinarian/virologist other than to say that he doesn't know what he's talking about. 

 

u prolly believe Foul Cheese

 

Ad hominem and nothing more is the tell....

Edited by K Wave, 23 September 2021 - 09:37 PM.

 

 

I won't even begin to address the false information offered by this veterinarian/virologist other than to say that he doesn't know what he's talking about. 

 

u prolly believe Foul Cheese

 

Ad hominem and nothing more is the tell....

 

It may seem that I have nothing to offer other than a put down of the author. That's not the only conclusion for my refusal to discuss it. Since I did comment to dismiss it, I do owe you an explanation, which is simply that I consider it a waste of my time. Pseudo-scientific discussions of this issue are endless and will continually be posted here and elsewhere. I've decided not to try to explain why and how these are false and will ignore this and similar posts.

hmm.

Sounds like we are screwed whether covid vaccines work or not. We screwed if they don't work, because they don't work. We screwed if they work because they select variants.

BTW, the existing variants are not likely to have been selected by vaccines. This is for two reasons. One is because vaccines don't work. The other is because they mostly come from times when there were no vaccines, or countries that were under-vaccinated.

So perhaps the variants reflect natural selection for higher replication fitness in new host (= us, humans), rather than some sort of intelligent design? 

I think some vaccines work for some things but I agree this one is not needed for children, they are not going to die from it!  Myself and 4 of my friends all got it last November and we were all just tested for antibodies and were all so carrying them 10 mths later!!  Obviously natural is best and I can t understand why the governments in America and Canada refuse to recognize it!! 

hmm.

 

Sounds like we are screwed whether covid vaccines work or not. We screwed if they don't work, because they don't work. We screwed if they work because they select variants.

 

BTW, the existing variants are not likely to have been selected by vaccines. This is for two reasons. One is because vaccines don't work. The other is because they mostly come from times when there were no vaccines, or countries that were under-vaccinated.

 

So perhaps the variants reflect natural selection for higher replication fitness in new host (= us, humans), rather than some sort of intelligent design? 

 

   

The vaccine did actually appear to work reasonably well against Alpha.

So you think it is just a coincidence that suddenly Delta has raced around the world in vaccinated countries and become nearly 100% dominant shortly after the vaccines were introduced?

You can literally see the post vaccine Delta case spikes in country after country within months of vaccination rollout, when they had very little issue beforehand. Yet another "conincidence".

And there is some confusion out there on this topic. Geert is not saying that that the vaccines are actually creating the variants (although they may already be contributing to that process), but just selecting the ones that have the best chance for survival against the vaccine roadblock.

He says that in the snippet I posted above when he talks about variants already circulating, and his many other papers.

Some have made the false claim that since Delta was found before the big vaccine rollout, no way vaccines could have anything to do with its dominance.

Whether it existed previously or not has nothing to do with anything in regards to selective pressure to propagate it over other options.

Since it has now been pretty conclusively shown that the vaccinees spread disease easily, it makes logical sense they would spread the variants the vaccine cannot fully neutralize.

In any event, his is obviously a theory that thus far appears to have some merit, and it should not be just dismissed out of hand because it does not agree with your world view that leaky vaccines are going to save the day.

I follow the evidence as it appears, and thus far, Geert's theory is seeming to hold water at this juncture based upon the available evidence.

It certainly is nowhere close to being disproved.

Luckily there have not been extensive, highly transmissible changes ...yet... in the RBD, which appears to account for the majority of the neutralization effort.

If/when that happens, seems like like gene shot recipients might have a bigger problem on their hands than just being low symptomatic super spreaders.

In the meantime, they boost away...hoping that day never comes.

Edited by K Wave, 24 September 2021 - 08:16 AM.

Delta possesses characteristics that makes it spread faster than alpha regardless of presence of absence of vaccines. And we know that mutation rates are not driven by vaccines, they don't generate variants. I could agree that in the absence of vaccines a larger population could have been exposed to alpha, and acquire a degree of protection. In a longer run, I don't think it would make a difference as delta spreads much faster anyway. But these are theories and we are not interested in speculating

In any event, the narrative that the gene shots will keep you safer than being unvaccinated is rapidly imploding in UK.

And BBC has a really funny Orwellesque way of saying 2/3 of the cases are vaccinated and 87% of the hospitalizations are vaccinated.

There were more per capita in the hospital vaccinated last week as well, 87% vs 80% vaccinated...the stats keep going the wrong way, week after week....

Notice the difference in the month numbers vs the week numbers..this is a recurring theme.

Could be an interesting "flu season"

https://www.bbc.com/...-wales-58680204

Edited by K Wave, 24 September 2021 - 03:34 PM.