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[OEXCHAOS]

If you get enough exercise, it's amazing what you can eat and stay slim. How many of us, however, get anything like the exercise that we should? Of those of us who do, how many of us are one missed step from an injury that will keep us from getting it? I'm working on a project now that has taken 15 lbs off just from all the physical work. I'm eating very poorly (by my standards--lots of pasta, and more pizza than I've had in a long time, plus fast food during the day). This is telling to me. It says that if I get just a bit more exercise and eat smart, I can look pretty good for an old f@rt. YMMV Mark

[stocks]

It's easy to stay slim if you have the right genes.

If not, then live like the Amish:

Thanks to a study of Lancaster County's Old Order Amish, medical researchers now believe the fat gene can be outsmarted, but you have to get off your sofa to do it.

A study published in Monday's Archives of Internal Medicine focused on FTO, a common genetic variation that makes some people more likely to gain weight than those with a regular version of the gene.

But researchers found Amish who carried the genetic variation were no more likely to be overweight than those with the regular gene — as long as they got three to four hours of moderate activity every day.

"This is an important study because it's one of the first, if not the first, to show that genes can be outsmarted by physical activity," said the study's co-author, Dr. Soren Snitker of the University of Maryland. "Most important is the fact that among those who are the most active, there are no effects from those genes."

Scientists believe about 30 percent of white people of European ancestry, including the Amish, have the genetic variation that leads to a propensity for being overweight and obese.

http://articles.lanc.../local/4/227024

[maineman]

It's the simple things that work. It's the simple things that most people ignore (they think they are "too simple"). Here it is again: The average person needs 10 calories per pound per day. That's our basal energy requirement. As far as energy goes the body could care less where the calorie comes from (protein, carb, fat, etc.) For nutrition's sake its obviously better to eat recognizably healthy food. (I.E. What you were taught in kindergarten). It has been scientifically shown that by burning around 1000 calories a week you can decrease overall risk for hypertension, diabetes, osteoporosis, dementia and depression by 20%. Therefore, in summary, all you gotta do is figure out a rough "ideal" body weight (e.g. a 5 foot 10 inch man approximately 165 pounds give or take a few) multiply by 10 = 1650 calories a day. Then 3 times a week run slowly on a treadmill for 20-30 minutes to burn those 1000 calories. All you need to know. Unfortunately, it is so simple most folks thinks its "simplistic" and look for convoluted answers elsewhere. mm

[OEXCHAOS]

It's the simple things that work. It's the simple things that most people ignore (they think they are "too simple").
Here it is again:

The average person needs 10 calories per pound per day. That's our basal energy requirement. As far as energy goes the body could care less where the calorie comes from (protein, carb, fat, etc.) For nutrition's sake its obviously better to eat recognizably healthy food. (I.E. What you were taught in kindergarten).

It has been scientifically shown that by burning around 1000 calories a week you can decrease overall risk for hypertension, diabetes, osteoporosis, dementia and depression by 20%.

Therefore, in summary, all you gotta do is figure out a rough "ideal" body weight (e.g. a 5 foot 10 inch man approximately 165 pounds give or take a few) multiply by 10 = 1650 calories a day. Then 3 times a week run slowly on a treadmill for 20-30 minutes to burn those 1000 calories.

All you need to know.

Unfortunately, it is so simple most folks thinks its "simplistic" and look for convoluted answers elsewhere.

mm

I've found that if you run up to the 3rd floor to get a hammer drill, then back to the first floor, then back up to the third floor to get the 5/16" bit, then trot back to the first floor, then up a ladder to drill a hole, then down to get a driver, then back up the ladder to drive the tapcon, and then repeat this about 20 times, you can eat a pizza for dinner and kill a bottle of wine and still lose weight...

Simple!

[maineman]

It's the simple things that work. It's the simple things that most people ignore (they think they are "too simple").
Here it is again:

The average person needs 10 calories per pound per day. That's our basal energy requirement. As far as energy goes the body could care less where the calorie comes from (protein, carb, fat, etc.) For nutrition's sake its obviously better to eat recognizably healthy food. (I.E. What you were taught in kindergarten).

It has been scientifically shown that by burning around 1000 calories a week you can decrease overall risk for hypertension, diabetes, osteoporosis, dementia and depression by 20%.

Therefore, in summary, all you gotta do is figure out a rough "ideal" body weight (e.g. a 5 foot 10 inch man approximately 165 pounds give or take a few) multiply by 10 = 1650 calories a day. Then 3 times a week run slowly on a treadmill for 20-30 minutes to burn those 1000 calories.

All you need to know.

Unfortunately, it is so simple most folks thinks its "simplistic" and look for convoluted answers elsewhere.

mm

I've found that if you run up to the 3rd floor to get a hammer drill, then back to the first floor, then back up to the third floor to get the 5/16" bit, then trot back to the first floor, then up a ladder to drill a hole, then down to get a driver, then back up the ladder to drive the tapcon, and then repeat this about 20 times, you can eat a pizza for dinner and kill a bottle of wine and still lose weight...

Simple!

Wanna make some money? Write that up, put it together in a slick book, do a quick tour of Oprah and others and you'll make a killing with the new "Carpenter Diet...Drill Baby, drill"

mm

[OEXCHAOS]

"Feel the burn? That's because you failed to tighten the drill bit enough, you idiot!"

[stocks]

But researchers found Amish who carried the genetic variation were no more likely to be overweight than those with the regular gene — as long as they got three to four hours of moderate activity every day.

"This is an important study because it's one of the first, if not the first, to show that genes can be outsmarted by physical activity," said the study's co-author, Dr. Soren Snitker of the University of Maryland. "Most important is the fact that among those who are the most active, there are no effects from those genes."

LOOKING AT THE DETAILS:

In other words, there was no correlation among the Amish with this gene variant and BMIs among the women working out as much as about 10 hours a day and among men 12 hours a day!* Only when they were physically active pretty much every waking hour of the day — 14 hours/day for women and 16 hours/day for men — was a correlation [albeit untenable] with a 2.1 units lower average BMI reported:

Most people cannot afford to, nor would most want to, devote 14-16 hours a day to exercise in order to be one dress size smaller. They have other priorities. These daily exercise levels in this study population are so unrealistic, likely even among contemporary Amish in other regions, they don’t credibly explain the wide natural diversity of body sizes among people today.

The most accurate interpretation of this study might have said, instead: Most genetically-predisposed healthy fat people will still be fat, even working out every waking hour of the day!

Yes, even with these exhaustive levels of physical activity, most Amish adults are just as fat as the rest of us.

The myth of an obesogenic environment and thin Old Order Amish


It’s one of the most popular contemporary myths — and the foundation of present-day obesity public policies — that if we all lived rural lifestyles and did hard physical labor all day; ate homegrown, homecooked foods; and had none of today’s modern conveniences and electronics, we would all be thin. It’s a nostalgic vision of past eras ... but it’s not true.


Even living these idealized lifestyles, eating virtuously and physically active far beyond what most of us could imagine, the Old Order Amish are just as fat as the rest of the United States white population. In fact, the average BMIs of mature Amish women (over age 40) are 1-2 kg/m2 higher than those of other U.S. women the same age.

As researchers, led by Dr. Wen-Chi Hsueh at the Southwest Foundation of Biomedical Research in San Antonio, Texas, recently reported in the Journal of Clinical Endocrinology & Metabolism, obesity is just as heritable among the Amish as other populations. These researchers had genotyped 672 Amish for 357 genetic markers in 22 autosomes and found that the specific genes that contribute to human obesity are unknown. They were unable to detect any significant linkage for any of the traits they analyzed, even in this homogeneous population -- perhaps, they said, because of the complexity of genetic mechanisms and subtle effects of individual genes even in this relatively homogeneous population.


http://junkfoodscien...from-amish.html