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Poll: Are we in a bear or bull market?

Are we in a bear or bull market?

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#1 risk_management

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Posted 04 March 2016 - 07:51 PM

Please vote.  This doesn't matter to me one bit when it comes to trading but I am curious what people think.  The interpretation of these fantastic NYMO thrusts is different in bull vs bear market.  That's at least what Tom McClellan says and he maintains this is a bear market thrust.  Not going to dispute it since he is in a league of his own but I must have an open mind. 

 

NYSI is already at 300.  That means that market and NYMO must pretty much sell of right of the bat on Monday in order to lose momentum and NYSI ultimately not cross over 500 threshold. 

 

http://stockcharts.c...id=p42715373477

 

I've seen tail end of 2000 bear and full 2008 one.  This (bear) market is nothing like either of those two IMO.

 

 



#2 Charvo

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Posted 05 March 2016 - 03:59 AM

From the perspective of a US investor investing primarily in US stocks, I think we have experienced a milder bear market than investors in other countries like China, Europe, and Japan.  These other countries have had their heads handed to them.  I think it's tough to gauge whether the global markets are out of the woods yet by purely looking at the king of the hill aka the S&P 500.  Anyone looking at the Nasdaq 100 in December last year would have thought the bull market was back when it hit a new high.  The energy sector and international markets ex-US have been the weakest links in the global markets.  Unless the energy sector and the international markets ex-US show some sustained strength, I would be hesitant to call the bull market is back even if the S&P 500 gets to a new high.

 

The fact that the declines in 2010 and 2011 were arrested by serious monetary intervention, I find it hard to believe the markets will find stable footing unless something drastic happens again which prompts Yellen and her central bank buddies do another coordinated intervention.


Edited by Charvo, 05 March 2016 - 03:59 AM.


#3 Swiss Trader

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Posted 05 March 2016 - 06:15 AM

Clearly a bull market, with a bear correction for now


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#4 tsharp

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Posted 05 March 2016 - 09:11 AM

IMHO, coming out of a corrective state, wave-ii, but still in a bull market with much higher price objectives over the next 12-18 months.



#5 dasein

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Posted 05 March 2016 - 06:47 PM

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#6 risk_management

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Posted 06 March 2016 - 10:45 AM

Thank you for responding.  Much closer than what I thought.  But then if we are really in a bear market, this juncture is exactly where the bullish sentiment should bubble up.


Edited by risk_management, 06 March 2016 - 10:45 AM.


#7 OEXCHAOS

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Posted 06 March 2016 - 07:29 PM

My technicals say we're in a Bear Market Condition still, but the price action and breadth sure look like we are no longer in a Bear.


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Posted 07 March 2016 - 06:21 AM

in a Teddy Bear ;)


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Posted 07 March 2016 - 08:37 AM

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#10 CRUISENAL

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Posted 07 March 2016 - 09:12 AM

When I look back at prior historical periods in the market looking at monthly charts, it clearly shows a Bearish Top today. If we were to look at All Major Tops in the history of the Stock Market, they basically all look the same. Suttle differences, but still similar, and this is the case today. Typical is a rally off a low to test the monthly 20 SMA, now at SPX 2030.79. This would look very bullish on the daily chart and will always get the Bulls excited, thus the constant BS on CNBS about everything is OK and just Buy as we are Bullish on the market. Happens every time! 

 

A couple of other things, in the last 9 months of price action, we have seen lower lows and lower highs, Not a good sign. Then consider the current CAPE ratio at 25.28. Looking back to the year 1900 and taking out the outlier periods of 1929 and 2000, if we look at around 1900 and 1966, we see the ratio was not to far off where we are today and the results after were not good as it took 20 years in 1900 to 1920 for the PE to drop to a below avg. value at 5. And looking at 1966, it took until 1982 or 16 years for the PE to get to below avg. value at 7. 1929-1932 hit 6 in very short order. The 2009 low PE was 15, a far cry from a 5 or 7, was likely saved by the FED.

 

So my thinking is this has set up one of those typical Bubble Tops in history that don't end well, but great for investors that can be patient and wait for VALUE in the market. There surely is little in the way of low value today. So at this time, unless something changes that throws history way off of typical norms, we should see this market decline longer term, not hit new all times and go much higher. I know Armstrong says much higher as money flows from Europe to the US as a safe haven, but the charts say otherwise at this point in time. So we will watch and see how it plays out and what the historical chart will look like in the future. I bet Down!