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#1 thoughtpwr

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Posted 07 March 2017 - 12:08 PM

I would say this is probably the place support has to hold in that we have tested three times and filled the gap. Today is supposed to be a low, and we have tested with the SPY not making a lower low as we did early in the AM today. I suspect we have one more test of 270 coming later this PM before we can marshal real buying to send us higher. Today is also a day that we can make a continuation patter if we finish above 239, which is possible with we generate the kind of buying power we have after the last of these tests at 234.

 

I have shed all of my hedges and gone long in several areas already, but clearly am being tested. I am long SPY 236/235 Put spread  and WDC 75/74 Put spread. I also went long additional put spread in MGM, but it is testing new lows, so this position has gotten in trouble this AM.  It the market can turn it around this PM, it will be OK.

 

URA has shown signs of reversal at the key support area of 15.5 (15.3), if this continues to bring itself above 16, I think we may have a bottom in. I am long based upon yesterday's thrust down.

 

I see while I was writing a four test of 270 was made and so far has held. If we hold here, I think that may be it on the downside. We will see.


Edited by thoughtpwr, 07 March 2017 - 12:10 PM.


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Posted 07 March 2017 - 01:18 PM

SPY appears to have survived the fourth attack on the 237 area, as it is currently trying to challenge the 8 & 20 hr MOVs. I am probably being too optimistic about turning the market momentum upward today, after looking at the longer hourly MOVs.  We need to get back above yesterday's high either today or tomorrow on the open before selling off again. That will allow the 8 hr to overcome the 20 hr MOV, which is necessary before we can rally. If we do that, then we come down and test 270 another time, before we can rally up to a new high.

 

If we could rally today, on some positive news, that would give us a Falling Three Methods, which is skewed due to the gap in its being filled. That outside possibility is there is something spectacular happens.



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Posted 07 March 2017 - 01:55 PM

The pitchfork upper trendline was penetrated this morning, however the market has been respecting the parallel line with it and the low of the day so far, which is somewhat typical.

 

There is a bottom formation that may be in play after the second SPY rally this today.  If the market can get above 237.49, the that would solidify the formation. That would potentially preclude the need for another retest tomorrow AM.

 

Basically, there is another retest of the trendline mentioned above in progress. We will see how it does.


Edited by thoughtpwr, 07 March 2017 - 01:57 PM.


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Posted 07 March 2017 - 02:50 PM

there will be no 4th testing. just go through ;)


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Posted 07 March 2017 - 03:00 PM

The new trendline was tested; even if 270 wasn't.  The downtrend line of the bottom formation has been crossed, which is the key trigger, and I added to my SPY put spreads with a March 270/236.  We await 237.5 to be crossed. 

 

If the big dogs know the bottom is in, things could go to a new high very quickly.



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Posted 07 March 2017 - 03:21 PM

The 80 hr MOV appears to be supporting the market at this point. MGM coming back a little (38% from yesterday's close).  If it gets to back to 26 over the next couple of days, should be fine.



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Posted 07 March 2017 - 04:00 PM

While I remain IT and LT bullish, some might make the ST argument that the neckline on a H&S formation was broken today and could lead to a further decline to the ~2330 SP00 range... just a thought.

 

Link to SP00 240-min chart:  https://postimg.org/image/nornyvwex/

 

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Posted 07 March 2017 - 06:29 PM

Well, that was a day!  What happened the last hour?  Clearly, the pitchfork trendline was broken near the open, but its parallel line was held throughout the day until the last 1/2 hour. A clear bearish assault on 237 was made and accomplished to get below, before it was brought back to 237+ by the close. We have tested the 237 area four times in the last four days and penetrated it for the first time in the last 1/2 hr. The SPY market appears to be flagging down ward.

 

We also got no rally at the close, in order to move the 8 & 20 hr MOVs and get them to cross. We did get outside the down trend channel late yesterday and then mid day today.  We actually are still outside the channel, but we went down to it in the last hour of the day and close outside the channel at the close.  I initially thought the potential bottom formation was spoiled by the last 1/2 hour; but the waveform down was terminal in re-examination. It's possible that the horizontal nature of the day's formation required the fake out below 237 to complete the pattern.

 

On the 2 hr plot the SPY hasn't been this oversold, since the two days following the potential 2-day Island Top of late Jan.  I also plot the TRIX on the same plot as the momentum, since when they cross, they foretell a change of trend. On the 2 hr plot the momentum has crossed above the down trending TRIX as it did in the turn around after the island reversal. It may take a few days to generate significant upside, but the potential of a bottom is actually here.

 

$NYMO has gotten down to -60 in the last four days.  With -40 of it in the last two days, even though the number of points lost on SPY has been relatively small. The last two days have been outside the BB of $NYMO, which has normally marked a bottom, if you look over the last year of data. It has lead to an immediate rally or a bottom followed by a flat area that has lead to a rally. Two consecutive days of being outside the BB is fairly rare (in a bull market).

 

Finally, the $CPCI & the $CPCE both when lower, rather than demanding more puts and shorts.  This is a bearish development that you would have thought sentiment would be getting bearish instead of bullish. Yikes!

 

I believe the market is oversold at this point (Mr Dev had it so earlier in the day) and the last hour seemed to only exasperate that condition, if I am correct. We have filled the gap and tomorrow is supposed to be the low (I errored before in saying it was today; its 3/8). I got the impression that tomorrow could be one of those days that we gap up at the open and run all day, due to the oversold condition.  It's not how I would have like to see it go, as we didn't gap low enough to get an OOPS buy this morning.  Clearly, that could happen tomorrow. and its been 5 days since we had the gap higher last Wed AM. So we have sold off for 4 consecutive days. We haven't done that for over a month and 3 months ago.

 

Clearly we are ripe for going down tomorrow, and it would put me in a dilemma in that I went long today at several different times. When looking at all the factors, it looks like we can have a bottom and should have a bottom, but the doing is in the actual rise in price. With 3/8 slated to be a low, we do have potential to put in a bottom here, but I would hate to see it come from lower levels.


Edited by thoughtpwr, 07 March 2017 - 06:34 PM.


#9 thoughtpwr

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Posted 07 March 2017 - 06:48 PM

Tsharp;

 

With regard to your plot, I wouldn't have thought that was the proper form for a H&S, but I can't tell the market what it can't do.

 

I would have thought that the breakout we saw to 2400 would require us to go up and make a double top before we could go lower than 237. 

 

235-234 is the next support level down, which could lead lower to 2320. I was originally shooting for 235, but the way the trendline were holding I opted to get long.  My best guess.

 

VIX and VXX still when lower rather than higher over the last two days.

 

The surprises in a bull market are to the upside, we need that right now.  Mark:  Do you have any additional info to throw in the discussion?  Thx



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Posted 07 March 2017 - 07:28 PM

Tsharp;

 

With regard to your plot, I wouldn't have thought that was the proper form for a H&S, but I can't tell the market what it can't do.

 

I would have thought that the breakout we saw to 2400 would require us to go up and make a double top before we could go lower than 237. 

 

235-234 is the next support level down, which could lead lower to 2320. I was originally shooting for 235, but the way the trendline were holding I opted to get long.  My best guess.

 

VIX and VXX still when lower rather than higher over the last two days.

 

The surprises in a bull market are to the upside, we need that right now.  Mark:  Do you have any additional info to throw in the discussion?  Thx

 

I'm pretty much a one-indicator guy... and my work suggests no hint of oversold at any level I watch, which is the hourly, daily and weekly SPX.  The hourly needs to break the dashed UTL on the indicator line for a sell, and that could happen tomorrow, but I suspect the UTL will provide support for a bounce.  On the daily and weekly charts, the same is true, that the dashed UTL on the indicator lines are the sell signals, and we are not where near on either.

 

Link to SPX 60-min chart:  https://postimg.org/image/vvjnqgmhl/

 

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Link to SPX daily chart:  https://postimg.org/image/wmgz9ze8p/

 

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Link to SPX weekly chart:  https://postimg.org/image/lpfnl7rh5/

 

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