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[Rogerdodger]

North Pole melting?

The pictures are dramatic — a camera at the North Pole Environmental Observatory, sitting in the middle of what appears to be either a lake or open ocean, at the height of the summer sea ice melt season. Set against the backdrop of the precipitous decline in sea ice cover in recent decades due in large part to global warming, this would seem to be yet another alarming sign of Arctic climate change.

But maybe not...

First, the cameras in question, which are attached to instruments that scientists have deposited on the sea ice at the start of each spring since 2002, may have “North Pole” in their name, but they are no longer located at the North Pole. In fact, as this map below shows, they have drifted well south of the North Pole, since they sit atop sea ice floes that move along with ocean currents. Currently, the waterlogged camera is near the prime meridian, at 85 degrees north latitude. “It’s moved away from the North Pole region and it will eventually exit Fram Strait,”


The second thing to keep in mind is that melting sea ice at or near the North Pole is actually not a rare event. Observations from the webcams dating back to 2002, and from satellite imagery and nuclear-powered submarines that have explored the ice cover since the Cold War era dating back several decades, show that sea ice around the North Pole has formed melt ponds, and even areas of open water, several times in the past.
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A lake at the North Pole? Like it’s an uncommon occurrence?
How about the one in 1958 or the one in 1987?


Conversely, over the past 30 years there has been a dramatic rise in the southern ice cap!
One would never know it given all the hysteria about the northern ice cap, or some spots on Antarctica being warmer than normal (it can't be cold everywhere):

The sad truth is this: A nation built on the freedoms to confront reality, will not survive if shackled by policies that chase utopian ghosts.
The tale of the ice cap is a prime example of this.

Edited by Rogerdodger, 26 July 2013 - 11:39 PM.

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Reduce U.S. Carbon Emissions To Zero, And The Temperature Decrease By 2100 Will Be Undetectable

That’s right—a carbon tax that completely eliminated our emissions would not be scientifically detectable in global temperatures in the year 2100.


http://www.forbes.co...e-undetectable/

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Reduce U.S. Carbon Emissions To Zero, And The Temperature Decrease By 2100 Will Be Undetectable

That's right—a carbon tax that completely eliminated our emissions would not be scientifically detectable in global temperatures in the year 2100.


http://www.forbes.co...e-undetectable/

Given the lack of verified climate models, Michael's conservative guess regarding the effect of CO2 seems reasonable. However, the elephant in the room might be CH4 which is much more potent (25X) than CO2 as a greenhouse gas and is pouring out of the Arctic at a good clip with the potential of much more in the future (see Methane Belch). Even if enough CH4 is released to significantly increase the rate of change of temperature we will not go from overcoats to shorts overnight. As in the past, mankind will adjust to climate change, resulting perhaps in great cities being built on the shores of Hudson Bay that will subsequently be turned to dust when the glaciers once again advance. And so it goes.

[Rogerdodger]

North Pole Sees Unprecedented July Cold – Arctic Sees Shortest Summer On Record — ‘Normally the high Arctic has about 90 days above freezing. This year there was less than half that’

NASA finally admits it Arctic cyclone in August ‘broke up’ and ‘wreaked havoc’ on sea ice — Reuters reports

[Rogerdodger]

Facts don't matter to the "Faithful".

But for the heretics among us, here they are:

NOAA: Antarctic Sea Ice Hits 'Record High'...

NOAA reported that the “average lower strastospheric temperature, about six to ten miles above the Earth’s surface, for 2012 was record or near-record cold, depending on the dataset” even while the concentrations of greenhouse gases, including carbon dioxide, continued to increase.
"Even with all this data manipulation, the trend is down."

AP Retracts 'Unusually Warm Period' Claim...
The Associated Press had to retract a photo it released on July 27 with the caption, “The shallow meltwater lake is occurring due to an unusually warm period.”
“In fact, the water accumulates in this way every summer,” AP admitted in a note to editors, adding that the photo was doubly misleading because “the camera used by the North Pole Environment Observatory has drifted hundreds of miles from its original position, which was a few dozen miles from the pole.”

Edited by Rogerdodger, 13 August 2013 - 07:33 PM.

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1930s photos show Greenland glaciers -- retreating faster than today!

1930s photos show Greenland glaciers retreating faster than today, but nobody thought it was a big deal.


The photos in question were taken by the seventh Thule Expedition to Greenland led by Dr Knud Rasmussen in 1932. The explorers were equipped with a seaplane, which they used to take aerial snaps of glaciers along the Arctic island's coasts.

After the expedition returned the photographs were used to make maps and charts of the area, then placed in archives in Denmark where they lay forgotten for decades. Then, in recent years, international researchers trying to find information on the history of the Greenland glaciers stumbled across them.

Taken together the pictures show clearly that glaciers in the region were melting even faster in the 1930s than they are today, according to Professor Jason Box, who works at the Byrd Polar Research Center at Ohio State U.

It now appears that the glaciers were retreating even faster eighty years ago: but nobody worried about it, and the ice subsequently came back again.

Unfortunately atmospheric sulphur emissions also cause other things such as acid rain, and as a result rich Western nations cracked down on sulphates in the 1960s. Prof Box believes that this led to warming from the 1970s onward, which has now led to the glaciers retreating since around 2000.

Other scientists have said recently that late-20th-century temperature rises in the Arctic may result largely from clean-air legislation intended to deal with acid rain: some have even gone so far as to suggest that rapid coal- and diesel-fuelled industrialisation in China is serving to prevent further warming right now.

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Record return of Arctic ice cap as it grows by 60% in a year
Almost a million more square miles of ocean covered with ice than in 2012

BBC reported in 2007 global warming would leave Arctic ice-free in summer by 2013

The Northwest Passage from the Atlantic to the Pacific has remained blocked by pack-ice all year. More than 20 yachts that had planned to sail it have been left ice-bound and a cruise ship attempting the route was forced to turn back.

Professor Anastasios Tsonis, of the University of Wisconsin, was one of the first to investigate the ocean cycles. He said: ‘We are already in a cooling trend, which I think will continue for the next 15 years at least. There is no doubt the warming of the 1980s and 1990s has stopped


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Record return of Arctic ice cap as it grows by 60% in a year
Almost a million more square miles of ocean covered with ice than in 2012

quote from August 31, 2009:

"Scientists project that the Arctic will be ice-free in the summer of 2013. Not in 2050, but four years from now."
-John Kerry, then Senator



http://www.huffingto...i_b_272815.html

[Rogerdodger]

The sad truth is this: A nation built on the freedoms to confront reality, will not survive if shackled by policies that chase utopian ghosts.
The tale of the ice cap is a prime example of this.


Earth Gains Record Amount of Sea Ice In 2013...



...Al Gore Predicted Arctic Ice Could Disappear...
A 2007 prediction that summer in the North Pole could be “ice-free by 2013” that was cited by former Vice President Al Gore in his Nobel Peace Prize acceptance speech has proven to be off… by 920,000 square miles.


New UN report lowers estimates on global warming...
"The big news is that, for the first time since these reports started coming out in 1990, the new one dials back the alarm.
It is significant because it points to the very real possibility that, over the next several generations, the overall effect of climate change will be positive for humankind and the planet."

Climate has been improving for thousands of years, ever since the Ice Age.

Edited by Rogerdodger, 14 September 2013 - 09:55 PM.

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Latest UN report shows scientists are being forced to "recognise reality".
"We are now at the point in the age of global warming hysteria where the IPCC global warming theory has crashed into the hard reality of observations."

The number of people who do not believe climate change is real has increased by 400% since 2005



POLL: What climate change? Fewer people than EVER believe world is really warming up...

Obama takes on coal with first-ever carbon limits...
“Under my plan … electricity rates would necessarily skyrocket.”
“If somebody wants to build a coal-fired power plant, they can. It’s just that it will bankrupt them.”

Edited by Rogerdodger, 20 September 2013 - 08:57 AM.