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[voltaire]

I can officially anounce that the imbeciles and morons now know more than those who have studied various disciplines. Of course the rabble know more than scientists when it come to global warming OR any other subject. Any one on this site must be smarter than a scientist. Of course. Why does democracy fail? Because the morons gain the backing of the imbeciles. Happenning again I feel.

[uburack]

HOpe and Change EOM

[Rogerdodger]

The previous "Decade of Cooler Temperatures" with record breaking cold was excused as mere "weather."

BBC:
Global temperatures 'to decrease'
By Roger Harrabin
BBC News environment analyst
4 April 2008
"Global temperatures will drop slightly this year as a result of the cooling effect of the La Nina current in the Pacific, UN meteorologists have said.
The World Meteorological Organization's secretary-general, Michel Jarraud, told the BBC it was likely that La Nina would continue into the summer.
This would mean global temperatures have not risen since 1998, prompting some to question climate change theory."


Coldest temperatures in memory in China. (February 2008)

But now as we enter maximum solar activity, it's called "Climate Change" (or whatever dramatic headline they can come up with.)

Meanwhile Sun activity is completely ignored by "scientists" with an agenda who are continually "baffled."

"Low solar activity has a profound effect on Earth’s atmosphere, allowing it to cool and contract.
Researchers have known about the solar cycle since the mid-1800s. Graphs of sunspot numbers resemble a roller coaster, going up and down with an approximately 11-year period. At first glance, it looks like a regular pattern, but predicting the peaks and valleys has proven troublesome. Cycles vary in length from about 9 to 14 years. Some peaks are high, others low. The valleys are usually brief, lasting only a couple of years, but sometimes they stretch out much longer. In the 17th century the sun plunged into a 70-year period of spotlessness known as the Maunder Minimum that still baffles scientists.

Meanwhile, the sun pays little heed to human committees. There could be more surprises, panelists acknowledge, and more revisions to the forecast.

"Go ahead and mark your calendar for May 2013," says Pesnell. "But use a pencil."



http://www.swpc.noaa...est/Predict.txt
It looks like the next predicted peak in 2013 is the last best chance we will have to impose a Carbon Tax Penality, and perhaps force every driver to buy a Chevy Volt from Government Motors and buy a windmill from GE (Government Electric) or pay a TAX Penality.

Edited by Rogerdodger, 07 July 2012 - 09:41 AM.

[Rogerdodger]

It's interesting that those with "Climate Faith" love to feel superior to those with religious faith.
Shhhhh! True Believers, Please ignore the following:

"Sunspots and climate
Incidentally, the Sporer, Maunder, and Dalton minima coincide with the colder periods of the Little Ice Age, which lasted from about 1450 to 1820. More recently it was discovered that the sunspot number during 1861-1989 shows a remarkable parallelism with the simultaneous variation in northern hemisphere mean temperatures. There is an even better correlation with the length of the solar cycle, between years of the highest numbers of sunspots."


6 July 2012
New sunspot group bombards Earth with solar flares - and one blast knocks out radio communications in Europe

These contain billions of tons of gases bursting with X-rays and ultraviolet radiation.
They are mind-bogglingly hot – around 100,000,000C.

July 4th 2012 photo:

Edited by Rogerdodger, 07 July 2012 - 10:09 AM.

[Rogerdodger]

They are mind-bogglingly hot – around 100,000,000C.

Nobel Prize winner Al Gore confirmed saying "The temperature of the interior of the earth is “several millions of degrees.”
He didn't say if that was C or F.
(Coincidentally C and F were the same grades he received at Harvard.)

Edited by Rogerdodger, 07 July 2012 - 11:09 PM.

[Rogerdodger]

Temperature rise leads CO2 by 800 years.
CO2 increase is a product, not a cause.
Just as hot tea will dissolve sugar more readily than cold tea, warm atmosphere will hold more CO2 than a cooler atmosphere.
The Proof IS In!

Edited by Rogerdodger, 07 July 2012 - 11:21 PM.

[Dex]

Why does democracy fail?

Because the morons gain the backing of the imbeciles.

http://www.goodreads..._de_Tocqueville

“A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship. The average age of the world's greatest civilizations has been 200 years.”
― Alexis de Tocqueville

[salsabob]

The previous "Decade of Cooler Temperatures" with record breaking cold was excused as mere "weather."

No it was dismissed first for cherry-picking the base year of 1998 - the hottest year on record.

It was also dismissed as a result of the Berkeley Earth Surface Temperature funded by the Koch Brothers and led by former skeptic Dr. Mueller that found no doubt about the warming climate. It also eliminated the skeptics' rationale of urban heat sinks and poor station locations. Further, it noted that the "decade of lower cooling" is primarily based on a single month with the lowest number of sampled stations and lowest statistical confidence. It also noted that the timeframe since 2008 was too short to have statistical significance.

It took considerable time for skeptics to finally pivot to the other issue of the cause of the warming (anthropogenic versus , sunspots, natural longer-term cycles, etc). That delay, along with being so vocally wrong to begin with, clearly isn't sufficient for the skeptics to develop a little humility in their certainty about the world, but also doesn't give them any credibility on the latest issue - it's clear the skeptics are not interested in truth unless its their "truth." Bottom line, why should we believe you now?

Edited by salsabob, 08 July 2012 - 01:34 PM.

[Dex]

It took considerable time for skeptics to finally pivot to the other issue of the cause of the warming (anthropogenic versus , sunspots, natural longer-term cycles, etc). That delay, along with being so vocally wrong to begin with, clearly isn't sufficient for the skeptics to develop a little humility in their certainty about the world, but also doesn't give them any credibility on the latest issue - it's clear the skeptics are not interested in truth unless its their "truth." Bottom line, why should we believe you now?

Let's go with that global warming is man made.

Between 2010 and 2050 apx 3 billion people will be added to the planet - 7B to apx 10B - primarily in developing countries.

Those new humans will want power and products that all produce greenhouse gases. No one is talking about that. No one is addressing that. No has put that on the top of issues to be addressed.

That is the bottom line that tell us what will happen.

[Rogerdodger]

It's all about more taxes. Wake up.
Aussie family slugged with 'carbon tax fee' -- for funeral...

'Even the dead don't escape'...

Erica Maliki and her family were burying her father-in-law at Springvale Cemetery when she was told the price per burial plot had increased because of the carbon tax.

Her father-in-law died on June 30, the day before the carbon tax was introduced, and was buried early last week.

"I thought to myself, 'What carbon could possibly be used by putting a man in a grave?'" Ms Maliki said.

"All they did was put the dirt back in. How can they charge us a carbon tax for burying someone?"

Ms Maliki's son Zaid said the cemetery's receptionist told his sister-in-law "even the dead don't escape the carbon tax".

Edited by Rogerdodger, 08 July 2012 - 10:55 PM.