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[colion]

http://ff.org/center...6_notcrisis.pdf

[*JB*]

http://ff.org/center...6_notcrisis.pdf

Great transcript. I wondered what happened at that meeting.

Also, Al Gore is clearly not with out a personal agenda hear. Profit is a big motive for him.

BTW -- this is verifiable, go to Generation Investment Management LLP web site, Gore is listed as chairman.
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http://www.canadafre...cover031307.htm

Creators of carbon credit scheme cashing in on it
Canada Free Press -- March 13, 2007

Judi McLeod


There's an elephant in global warming's living room that few in the mainstream media want to talk about: the creators of the carbon credit scheme are the ones cashing in on it.

The two cherub like choirboys singing loudest in the Holier Than Thou Global Warming Cathedral are Maurice Strong and Al Gore.

This duo has done more than anyone else to advance the alarmism of man-made global warming.

With little media monitoring, both Strong and Gore are cashing in on the lucrative industry known as man-made global warming.

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Gore buys his carbon off-sets from himself--the Generation Investment Management LLP, "an independent, private, owner-managed partnership established in 2004 with offices in London and Washington, D.C." of which he is both chairman and founding partner.

[stocks]

http://www.umich.edu...l?DysonWinCom05

Freeman Dyson is one of the great physicists of the 20th century.



The first of my heresies says that all the fluff about global warming is grossly exaggerated. Here I am opposing the holy brotherhood of twilight model experts and the crowd of diluted citizens that believe the numbers predicted by their models. Of course they say I have no degree in meteorology and I am therefore not qualified to speak.

But I have studied their climate models and know what they can do. The models solve the equations of fluid dynamics and do a very good job of describing the fluid motions of the atmosphere and the oceans. They do a very poor job of describing the clouds, the dust, the chemistry and the biology of fields, farms and forests. They do not begin to describe the real world that we live in.

The real world is muddy and messy and full of things that we do not yet understand. It is much easier for a scientist to sit in an air-conditioned building and run computer models than to put on winter clothes and measure what is really happening outside in the swamps and the clouds. That's why the climate model experts end up believing their own models.

There's no doubt that parts of the world are getting warmer, but the warming is not global. The warming happens in places and times where it is cold, in the arctic more than the tropics, in the winter more than the summer, at night more than the daytime.

I'm not saying the warming doesn't cause problems, obviously it does. Obviously we should be trying to understand it. I'm saying that the problems are being grossly exaggerated. They take away money and attention from other problems that are much more urgent and important. Poverty, infectious diseases, public education and public health. Not to mention the preservation of living creatures on land and in the oceans.

[stocks]

Benny Peiser: Britain's leading cosmologists seem to be particularly gloomy about the future of civilisation and humankind. The so-called Doomsday Argument seems to have had a significant influence on many Cambridge-based scientists. It has induced among them a conviction that global catastrophe is almost imminent. Martin Rees, for instance, estimates that there is a 50% chance of human extinction during the next 100 years. How do you explain this apocalyptic mood among leading cosmologists in Britain and the almost desperate tone of their pronouncements?



Freeman Dyson: My view of the prevalence of doom-and-gloom in Cambridge is that it is a result of the English class system. In England there were always two sharply opposed middle classes, the academic middle class and the commercial middle class. In the nineteenth century, the academic middle class won the battle for power and status. As a child of the academic middle class, I learned to look on the commercial middle class with loathing and contempt. Then came the triumph of Margaret Thatcher, which was also the revenge of the commercial middle class. The academics lost their power and prestige and the business people took over. The academics never forgave Thatcher and have been gloomy ever since.



Benny Peiser: Your sociological reading raises the question whether the current fashion of issuing doomsday predictions could be interpreted as the revenge by leading academics against the business community? After all, their very activities, success and societal role are blamed for impending catastrophe. Could it be that the scientific prophets of doom are trying to regain some of their lost influence by portraying themselves as saviours who, at the same time, provide governments with strong incentives for increased state power and intervention?



Freeman Dyson: I agree with your diagnosis of the academic disease. The academics are suffering from business envy, in the USA as well as in Britain.

http://www.staff.liv...eeman-Dyson.htm

[Rogerdodger]

Good link above, as it shows the beliefs of people change when they hear some facts rather than hype.
Although a debate doesn't prove or disprove the reality.

"Impending catastrophe" is the claimed danger.
Does their life show that they really believe their own words?
Now that's a very important question.

The the claimants of such "catastrophe" generally continue their wasteful lifestyle which includes multiple homes with 10,000s/f per person with heated pools and private jet aircraft and stretch limousines.
Meanwhile, what real changes do the make personally?
They pay carbon offsets for someone to plant a little tree which won't consume any measurable CO2 for DECADES!

IF it really is an "impending catastrophe" and if they are serious:
All cruise lines should be immediately shut down.
All air travel should be banned.
Automobile travel should be stopped and replaced with bicycles.
And Al Gore should stop eating meat.

Oh Yeah...How about banning those plastic bottles of water which people buy by the case and then watch their children's teeth rot out for lack of floride?
It's hard to carry a case of water on a bicycle anyway.

Just a thought.

Edited by Rogerdodger, 25 March 2007 - 11:43 AM.

[Rogerdodger]

I just had to show this guy's house.
You know who is calling for sacrifice.

According to a recent study by the government-funded Carbon Trust, clocking up at least 30,000 flying miles in the past 12 months means he boasts a carbon "footprint" nearly 100 times that of the average Briton, who is responsible for 10.92 tons of Co2, from his flights alone.
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Travolta's five private planes – a customised £2million Boeing 707, three Gulfstream jets and a Lear jet – are kept at the bottom of his garden in the US next to a private runway.
John Buckley, managing director-of CarbonFootprint.com, said:
"Unfortunately someone of his standing ends up discrediting the cause itself, because he is saying people should protect the environment on one hand, yet travelling on a private plane on the other.
"Green issues are serious and should be treated as such.
"It is vital for celebrities to toe the line when they speak out in support of it."

Maybe he could plant 2 trees.

Party all Saturday night but sing in the choir on Sunday.

Edited by Rogerdodger, 30 March 2007 - 11:47 PM.

[mss]

Link would not work, so copied ALL the text and gave credit.


Forecaster Blasts Gore on Global Warming

By CAIN BURDEAU, Associated Press Writer
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Dr. William Gray, a top hurricane researcher, answers questions ...

NEW ORLEANS - A top hurricane forecaster called Al Gore "a gross alarmist" Friday for making an Oscar-winning documentary about global warming.

"He's one of these guys that preaches the end of the world type of things. I think he's doing a great disservice and he doesn't know what he's talking about," Dr. William Gray said in an interview with The Associated Press at the National Hurricane Conference in New Orleans, where he delivered the closing speech.

A spokeswoman said Gore was on a flight from Washington, D.C., to Nashville Friday; he did not immediately respond to Gray's comments.

Gray, an emeritus professor at the atmospheric science department at Colorado State University, has long railed against the theory that heat-trapping gases generated by human activity are causing the world to warm.

Over the past 24 years, Gray, 77, has become known as America's most reliable hurricane forecaster; recently, his mentee, Philip Klotzbach, has begun doing the bulk of the forecasting work.

Gray's statements came the same day the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change approved a report that concludes the world will face dire consequences to food and water supplies, along with increased flooding and other dramatic weather events, unless nations adapt to climate change.

Rather than global warming, Gray believes a recent uptick in strong hurricanes is part of a multi-decade trend of alternating busy and slow periods related to ocean circulation patterns. Contrary to mainstream thinking, Gray believes ocean temperatures are going to drop in the next five to 10 years.

Gore's documentary, "An Inconvenient Truth," has helped fuel media attention on global warming.

Kerry Emanuel, an MIT professor who had feuded with Gray over global warming, said Gray has wrongly "dug (his) heels in" even though there is ample evidence that the world is getting hotter.




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