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#1 nimblebear

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Posted 02 July 2007 - 12:51 PM

http://www.newyorker...?printable=true

"With the help of a graduate student, Helder Palaro, Kat also undertook a larger study, in which he examined more than nineteen hundred funds. The results, which Kat and Palaro posted online as a working paper last year, showed that only eighteen per cent of the funds outperformed their benchmarks, and returns even at the most successful funds tended to decline over time. “Our research has shown that in at least eighty per cent of cases the after-fee alpha for hedge funds is negative,” Kat told me. “They are charging more than they are adding. I’m not saying they don’t have skill; I’m just saying they don’t have enough skill to make up for two and twenty.”

Other economists had been scrutinizing hedge funds closely. In a widely discussed 2005 paper, Burton Malkiel, a Princeton professor, and Atanu Saha, a New York investment analyst, argued that many published estimates of hedge-fund returns are misleading. Malkiel and Saha discovered that funds tend to exaggerate how well they performed in the past, and that those which perform badly often close and disappear from databases, leaving a biased sample. After examining results of now defunct firms, Malkiel and Saha found that between 1996 and 2003 hedge funds made an average return of 9.32 per cent, significantly less than the 13.74-per-cent average return of funds included in the published databases."

Fees are 2 and twenty. 2% for management fees, plus 20% of the profits. :blink:
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#2 Jnavin

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Posted 02 July 2007 - 12:58 PM

Couple of things: Malkiel has an interest in maintaining his efficient market theory, so it's likely he'll come up with conclusions that bolster his beliefs. Also, the description of funds disappearing and the database not being adjusted for it could also apply to the Dow Industrials and other indices -- bankrupt companies are eliminated and then replaced. This props up the price. I'm certain that the results of hedge funds are widely overstated, but I wouldn't completely trust the findings of this study.

#3 Drano

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Posted 02 July 2007 - 01:00 PM

Good point. Efficient markets :lol: I think that was one of Grimm's Fairy Tales, wasn't it?

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Posted 02 July 2007 - 01:31 PM

Also, the description of funds disappearing and the database not being adjusted for it could also apply to the Dow Industrials and other indices -- bankrupt companies are eliminated and then replaced. This props up the price.


........but a person investing in an index fund will not get lower return on his investment than the growth of the index itself, isn't it? On the other hand, if a large pension fund distributes 200 million dollars among 200 hedge funds, it's long term return is definitely going to be impacted by the funds disappearing (unless the pension fund manager is so smart, he only invests in over-achieving hedge funds LOL).

I am no fan of effcient market theory, but do not see scientific validity of your criticism of this particular study.
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#5 nimblebear

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Posted 02 July 2007 - 02:47 PM

Good point.

Efficient markets :lol:

I think that was one of Grimm's Fairy Tales, wasn't it?


Can't afford them anyway. Just surprised to see the "rich" through that much money away in fees and profits.
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