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#1 ogm

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Posted 15 July 2007 - 02:15 PM

Now its all coming toghether. The grand global adjustment is approaching. This is an adjustment through the fall of the dollar.

Chart 1. USD Monthly. In a strong downtrend, no sign of a turnaround, will break 1992 lows very likely soon.

Charts2. TNX, Teaparty and others posted this one already, with different perspectives. My take, its tied very closely to the USD chart and as soon as USD implodes there will be a huge run on the bonds.

Now, as for the stocks, its anyones guess. There will be multiple forces affecting them both ways.

Positive for stocks... The falling dollar will depreciate the commodities prices, and stock prices as an asset class. And will make US exports more competitive so it somewhat helps.

Negative for stocks.... Rising interest rates threaten to significantly supress the economic activity, which in turn will be very exhagerated by huge amounts of already outstanding debt. General liquidity contraction is also very likely. Second negative, in a general run on the dollar assets P/E's may significantly contract, even if the underlying commodities will be skyrocketing in price. Remeber thqt its XLB and oils are market leaders, not anything else.

So from the stock market perspective, no one really knows what will happen. Though da_cheif apparently thinks that errosion of buying power by the US dollar is great news. But for the US consumer drowning in debt, its not. Its a way out for them, and this is what is probably happening. But its a way out of debt through excruciating poverty which is likely to follow.


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#2 arbman

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Posted 15 July 2007 - 02:28 PM

ogm, I think the perception here is the USD is getting cheaper and this is good for the US corporations. I don't think they are worried as much as the rates anymore for now. The rally will go on until this perception changes into the USD is not worth anything anymore and the rates must go significantly higher and you might get what you are looking for. This might happen about 60-70 SPX points later though or after DJI 14200-14300, the large cap momentum is very strong, imho...

Edited by kisacik, 15 July 2007 - 02:29 PM.


#3 ogm

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Posted 15 July 2007 - 02:34 PM

ogm, I think the perception here is the USD is getting cheaper and this is good for the US corporations. I don't think they are worried as much as the rates anymore for now. The rally will go on until this perception changes into the USD is not worth anything anymore and the rates must go significantly higher and you might get what you are looking for. This might happen about 60-70 SPX points later though or after DJI 14200-14300, the large cap momentum is very strong, imho...


That is exactly what I'm thinking. But.. the psychology and momentum can turn on a dime.

The perception is that falling dollar is good for economy... its good untill the rates are low. So the rates should turn sharply higher first, before they start doing real damage. And the charts say they are on the way.

Global expansion is driven by the US consumer. Means that as soon as US consumer backs off significantly there will be less demand for goods made in China, that in turn will reduce demand for US exports. The global expansion will turn into a global contraction on a dime. And we'll be stuck with the falling dollar and falling corporate profits. The only thing that will be surging is commodity prices denominated in US dollars. But it doesn't mean that commodity stocks will be going up in price, pushing the indexes higher.

This is a very likely scenario.

Edited by ogm, 15 July 2007 - 02:38 PM.


#4 ChickenLittle

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Posted 15 July 2007 - 02:42 PM

IMO. Never IMHO because we all have some heavy duty opinions. According to my EW count I see the USD in the last decline before a major reversal. This count begins with the major decline beginning in Nov 2005. I have no idea at what price level the decline will stop, only that time-wise we are close (now to a couple of months). A further subdivision could certainly screw up this count but since the wave beginning in Nov 2005 has already subdivided (Oct 2007 to current), further subdivisions are not expected. B)
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#5 AChartist

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Posted 15 July 2007 - 05:37 PM

I'm thinking that debt up over 4 times, each 1% interest rate has
4 times the impact. It won't take much.


ogm, I think the perception here is the USD is getting cheaper and this is good for the US corporations. I don't think they are worried as much as the rates anymore for now. The rally will go on until this perception changes into the USD is not worth anything anymore and the rates must go significantly higher and you might get what you are looking for. This might happen about 60-70 SPX points later though or after DJI 14200-14300, the large cap momentum is very strong, imho...


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#6 Mtrader

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Posted 15 July 2007 - 06:06 PM

Cheap dollar makes DJ30 profits looks so good. 30K DOW, soon we'll be like Mexican Index(http://finance.yahoo...l=on&z=m&q=l&c=) Straight up baby.
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#7 arbman

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Posted 15 July 2007 - 07:55 PM

My FF for this week is lower first and higher (than last week's highs) later in the week, but if the lows do not come early in the week, the week will severely sell off later in the week. This is according to my pattern scans on many criterias...