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#1 nimblebear

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Posted 11 January 2009 - 12:13 PM

Its almost as stoopid as the people who thought the earth was flat. its all in the perpsective we chose. Gore and his ignorant band of merry scientists looked at only 1000 years of data. That's like examing a sickness in a person, and trying to determine the cause by looking at 10 days of data when he's been on earth 60 years. and then saying that 10 days is now an irreversible trend. Man is SO ARROGANT sometimes in his thoughts, and actions, and trying to identify the causes of things in mother nature. Just goes to show you how freaking stoopid and alarmist most politicians are sometimes.

As the article states so clearly : "The main flaw in the AGW theory is that its proponents focus on evidence from only the past one thousand years at most, while ignoring the evidence from the past million years -- evidence which is essential for a true understanding of climatology."

And scientists looking to make a name for themselves allow themselves to get sucked into the HYPE. Hype that is so much horse manure. Look at all the billions of hours and money wasted and the stinking GW treaties that are causing financial havoc. We need to focus on truly what is of man's doing, not trying to control the environment and the planet. The earth's gonna do what its gonna do. Just stop it with all the environmental nonsense and get back to solving the real man made problems like stinking derivatives, and other crap that have really wiped out our way of living.

Earth on the Brink of an Ice Age
Front page / Science / Planet Earth
11.01.2009 Source: Pravda.Ru

The earth is now on the brink of entering another Ice Age, according to a large and compelling body of evidence from within the field of climate science. Many sources of data which provide our knowledge base of long-term climate change indicate that the warm, twelve thousand year-long Holocene period will rather soon be coming to an end, and then the earth will return to Ice Age conditions for the next 100,000 years.

Ice cores, ocean sediment cores, the geologic record, and studies of ancient plant and animal populations all demonstrate a regular cyclic pattern of Ice Age glacial maximums which each last about 100,000 years, separated by intervening warm interglacials, each lasting about 12,000 years.

Most of the long-term climate data collected from various sources also shows a strong correlation with the three astronomical cycles which are together known as the Milankovich cycles. The three Milankovich cycles include the tilt of the earth, which varies over a 41,000 year period; the shape of the earth’s orbit, which changes over a period of 100,000 years; and the Precession of the Equinoxes, also known as the earth’s ‘wobble’, which gradually rotates the direction of the earth’s axis over a period of 26,000 years. According to the Milankovich theory of Ice Age causation, these three astronomical cycles, each of which effects the amount of solar radiation which reaches the earth, act together to produce the cycle of cold Ice Age maximums and warm interglacials.

Elements of the astronomical theory of Ice Age causation were first presented by the French mathematician Joseph Adhemar in 1842, it was developed further by the English prodigy Joseph Croll in 1875, and the theory was established in its present form by the Czech mathematician Milutin Milankovich in the 1920s and 30s. In 1976 the prestigious journal “Science” published a landmark paper by John Imbrie, James Hays, and Nicholas Shackleton entitled “Variations in the Earth's orbit: Pacemaker of the Ice Ages,” which described the correlation which the trio of scientist/authors had found between the climate data obtained from ocean sediment cores and the patterns of the astronomical Milankovich cycles. Since the late 1970s, the Milankovich theory has remained the predominant theory to account for Ice Age causation among climate scientists, and hence the Milankovich theory is always described in textbooks of climatology and in encyclopaedia articles about the Ice Ages.

In their 1976 paper Imbrie, Hays, and Shackleton wrote that their own climate forecasts, which were based on sea-sediment cores and the Milankovich cycles, "… must be qualified in two ways. First, they apply only to the natural component of future climatic trends - and not to anthropogenic effects such as those due to the burning of fossil fuels. Second, they describe only the long-term trends, because they are linked to orbital variations with periods of 20,000 years and longer. Climatic oscillations at higher frequencies are not predicted... the results indicate that the long-term trend over the next 20,000 years is towards extensive Northern Hemisphere glaciation and cooler climate."



During the 1970s the famous American astronomer Carl Sagan (yeah the Beeelions and Beeelions of stars guy) and other scientists began promoting the theory that ‘greenhouse gasses’ such as carbon dioxide, or CO2, produced by human industries could lead to catastrophic global warming. Since the 1970s the theory of ‘anthropogenic global warming’ (AGW) has gradually become accepted as fact by most of the academic establishment, and their acceptance of AGW has inspired a global movement to encourage governments to make pivotal changes to prevent the worsening of AGW.

The central piece of evidence that is cited in support of the AGW theory is the famous ‘hockey stick’ graph which was presented by Al Gore in his 2006 film “An Inconvenient Truth.” The ‘hockey stick’ graph shows an acute upward spike in global temperatures which began during the 1970s and continued through the winter of 2006/07. However, this warming trend was interrupted when the winter of 2007/8 delivered the deepest snow cover to the Northern Hemisphere since 1966 and the coldest temperatures since 2001. It now appears that the current Northern Hemisphere winter of 2008/09 will probably equal or surpass the winter of 2007/08 for both snow depth and cold temperatures.

The main flaw in the AGW theory is that its proponents focus on evidence from only the past one thousand years at most, while ignoring the evidence from the past million years -- evidence which is essential for a true understanding of climatology. The data from paleoclimatology provides us with an alternative and more credible explanation for the recent global temperature spike, based on the natural cycle of Ice Age maximums and interglacials.

In 1999 the British journal “Nature” published the results of data derived from glacial ice cores collected at the Russia ’s Vostok station in Antarctica during the 1990s. The Vostok ice core data includes a record of global atmospheric temperatures, atmospheric CO2 and other greenhouse gases, and airborne particulates starting from 420,000 years ago and continuing through history up to our present time.

The graph of the Vostok ice core data shows that the Ice Age maximums and the warm interglacials occur within a regular cyclic pattern, the graph-line of which is similar to the rhythm of a heartbeat on an electrocardiogram tracing. The Vostok data graph also shows that changes in global CO2 levels lag behind global temperature changes by about eight hundred years. What that indicates is that global temperatures precede or cause global CO2 changes, and not the reverse. In other words, increasing atmospheric CO2 is not causing global temperature to rise; instead the natural cyclic increase in global temperature is causing global CO2 to rise.

The reason that global CO2 levels rise and fall in response to the global temperature is because cold water is capable of retaining more CO2 than warm water. That is why carbonated beverages loose their carbonation, or CO2, when stored in a warm environment. We store our carbonated soft drinks, wine, and beer in a cool place to prevent them from loosing their ‘fizz’, which is a feature of their carbonation, or CO2 content. The earth is currently warming as a result of the natural Ice Age cycle, and as the oceans get warmer, they release increasing amounts of CO2 into the atmosphere.

Because the release of CO2 by the warming oceans lags behind the changes in the earth’s temperature, we should expect to see global CO2 levels continue to rise for another eight hundred years after the end of the earth’s current Interglacial warm period. We should already be eight hundred years into the coming Ice Age before global CO2 levels begin to drop in response to the increased chilling of the world’s oceans.

The Vostok ice core data graph reveals that global CO2 levels regularly rose and fell in a direct response to the natural cycle of Ice Age minimums and maximums during the past four hundred and twenty thousand years. Within that natural cycle, about every 110,000 years global temperatures, followed by global CO2 levels, have peaked at approximately the same levels which they are at today.

About 325,000 years ago, at the peak of a warm interglacial, global temperature and CO2 levels were higher than they are today. Today we are again at the peak, and near to the end, of a warm interglacial, and the earth is now due to enter the next Ice Age. If we are lucky, we may have a few years to prepare for it. The Ice Age will return, as it always has, in its regular and natural cycle, with or without any influence from the effects of AGW.

The AGW theory is based on data that is drawn from a ridiculously narrow span of time and it demonstrates a wanton disregard for the ‘big picture’ of long-term climate change. The data from paleoclimatology, including ice cores, sea sediments, geology, paleobotany and zoology, indicate that we are on the verge of entering another Ice Age, and the data also shows that severe and lasting climate change can occur within only a few years. While concern over the dubious threat of Anthropogenic Global Warming continues to distract the attention of people throughout the world, the very real threat of the approaching and inevitable Ice Age, which will render large parts of the Northern Hemisphere uninhabitable, is being foolishly ignored.

Edited by nimblebear, 11 January 2009 - 12:21 PM.

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#2 MaryAM

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Posted 11 January 2009 - 01:12 PM

The global warming stuff never (a) considered the CO2 emissions from active volcanic regions such as Mammoth Mountain for one and (B) didn't consider that the suns intensity was greater in recent years and is now entering a declining period. Al Gore just had to come up with something to keep him in the lime light - he might try going back to college and getting a degree in earth science - including meteorology and astronomy classes. If compounded with one major volcanic eruption - the earth could enter into what is know as a volcanic winter that could last several years before the atmosphere cleans itself again. The were all looking for something else to tax - lets see - lets tax CO2 emissions. I wonder how they will get Mammoth Mountain to pay. Mary Anne

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Posted 11 January 2009 - 01:41 PM

They're (U.S. Congress) now proposing a $175 a year per cow methane tax to cover cattle farts. Seriously. No joke. Since there are also 300 million people in the U.S., why don't they tax human farts? I don't know...maybe $25 a year per man, woman and child.

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Posted 11 January 2009 - 02:11 PM

They're (U.S. Congress) now proposing a $175 a year per cow methane tax to cover cattle farts. Seriously. No joke. Since there are also 300 million people in the U.S., why don't they tax human farts? I don't know...maybe $25 a year per man, woman and child.

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That would put the Mexican restaurants out of business el speedy pronto.

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Posted 11 January 2009 - 03:08 PM

The truly sad thing is that our new president is declaring that AGW is an urgent problem and is preparing to squander hundreds of billions of dollars wasting resources and devastating standards of living to solve it. Now that is a tragedy. TM

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Posted 11 January 2009 - 03:30 PM

Nimblebear, with all due respect, please stick to your areas of expertise. You'll keep from embarrassing yourself. I realize I don't have a lot to contribute on-topic on this board because I am new at trading, so I keep my mouth shut if I don't know what I'm talking about (sage advice B) ). But as an environmental engineer for 30+ years I have studied the issue of man's collective impact on climate and for a time had my own share of skepticism. But like the vast majority of scientific experts, I've fully come to the conclusion that global warming is for real and it's critical that we begin to take action. This site is not the forum people should visit to learn about a scientific issue unless they want their information skewed by a particular political philosophy. By the way, it is interesting that you have chosen Pravda as your source of truth and scientific wisdom. Please be advised that Russia is one of the few areas of the planet that will benefit from global warming. Although the southern and European portions will be harmed, vast new areas of cultivatable lands will appear in the north and much that is currently uninhabitable will become habitable. I appreciate all of your many contributions about the markets. Please keep those up. Lev

Edited by leverage4, 11 January 2009 - 03:32 PM.


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Posted 11 January 2009 - 03:34 PM

I guess that probably means you don't think I know much about farts either? ;) U.F.O.
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Posted 11 January 2009 - 04:16 PM

I guess that probably means you don't think I know much about farts either? ;)

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Well, now that you mentioned it, ;) here's the real story about the cow tax. There was a supreme court ruling in '07 that said that under the Clean Air Act, USEPA had the ability to regulate greenhouse gases if they determine they endanger public health or welfare. USEPA put together a 570 page notice of options, only briefly suggesting that livestock could be subject to regulation, and in fact, in another portion noting that the Clean Air Act does not give them the authority to impose taxes. Despite the fact that USEPA is required to publish and consider all options before making a decision, the issue got traction in the Ag community, and the blogosphere is full of statements about the "cow tax", all of it hyperbole and out of context. Yes, there will be some very difficult decisions to grapple with over legislation regarding greenhouse gas emissions, but frankly, the cow tax seems like a fantasy designed to whip up opposition to regulation. Similar tactics have happened every other time major rules have been proposed and it's an unfortunate distraction.

I'm not trying to pick a fight, but in good conscience I just can't let these statements go unanswered. Maybe this is the reason that we are urged to not stray too far off-topic since it tends to tarnish the outstanding technical analysis comments, an area in which all the posters on this thread (except me :wacko: ) know their stuff.

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Posted 11 January 2009 - 04:29 PM

Slow weekend Lev. Sometimes the "outstanding technical analysis" well runs dry and we venture into areas where we probably shouldn't tread. That's OK too. Glad you're posting now instead of just lurking. That's what makes FF better...more eyeballs AND keystrokes. Best.

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Posted 11 January 2009 - 04:53 PM

Must-read book:

Red Hot Lies: How Global Warming Alarmists Use Threats, Fraud and Deception To Keep You Misinformed by Christopher Horner