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[Rogerdodger]

They all stood up and cheered for the plan that none of them will accept for themselves.

[mss]

They all stood up and cheered for the plan that none of them will accept for themselves.

Rep. Joe Wilson stood up and called out - "LIER" and I quote, "he was commanded to apologize."

I asked who could command, (note not demand) this, and I was told not to ask again by my close Senator friend.

Interesting times are just starting.
mss

Edited by mss, 10 September 2009 - 12:07 PM.

[OEXCHAOS]

They all stood up and cheered for the plan that none of them will accept for themselves.

Rep. Joe Wilson stood up and called out - "LIER" and I quote, "he was commanded to apologize."

I asked who could command, (note not demand) this, and I was told not to ask again by my close Senator friend.

Interesting times are just starting.
mss

Where did you get that? I can't seem to find it.

M

[diogenes227]

The "leadership" told him to apologize, according to Wilson. Presumably, the House Republican leadership.

Here is a video link:

ABC NEWS

[stocks]

Under ObamaCare, it would be illegal to live without a permit.

In his speech to a joint session of Congress last night, the president offered what presumably was meant to sound like an innocuous, or at least reasonable, analogy:

Unless everybody does their part, many of the insurance reforms we seek--especially requiring insurance companies to cover pre-existing conditions--just can't be achieved. And that's why under my plan, individuals will be required to carry basic health insurance--just as most states require you to carry auto insurance.

In fact, no state requires individuals to carry auto insurance. The owner of a car, which may be either an individual or a corporate entity, is required to carry insurance as a condition for a government permit allowing the car to be driven on public roads. Individual drivers, of course, are also required to obtain a government license, which requires fulfilling other conditions.

Driving is such a central part of most Americans' lives that the cliché that "driving is a privilege" seems a bit nonsensical. It feels like a right. There even is a constitutional right to travel--an unenumerated one, but one whose existence is not in serious dispute. Yet here is how Justice John Paul Stevens described that right in Saenz v. Roe (1999):

The "right to travel" discussed in our cases embraces at least three different components. It protects the right of a citizen of one State to enter and to leave another State, the right to be treated as a welcome visitor rather than an unfriendly alien when temporarily present in the second State, and, for those travelers who elect to become permanent residents, the right to be treated like other citizens of that State.

The right to travel is not a right to drive, but if a state were to require visitors to provide proof of insurance when arriving by train, plane or bus, on foot, or as a passenger in a private car, this would clearly violate the first two components of the right to travel.

Obama's proposal to coerce all Americans into buying health insurance is even more intrusive than our hypothetical state requirement would be. The ObamaCare mandate would violate not only the right to travel but the right to remain at rest. The implication of the auto-insurance analogy is that the president believes Congress has the authority to require Americans to obtain a government permit to live.

The one consolation of losing our freedom is that if the ObamaCare mandate passed, it would be fun to see the look on all those silly young voters' faces when they realize that the guy they so fervently supported is going to force them to turn over a large share of their meager earnings to insurance companies.



http://online.wsj.co...2643448420.html

[OEXCHAOS]

Yanno, a large deductible health insurance policy is pretty darned cheap...cheaper than my co-pay when I worked at a company that provided insurance for me. I view it as a responsibility to the rest of the responsible citizens (and I didn't get that when I was 21 years old). Mark

[Rogerdodger]

Clearly outraged by Joe Wilson's outburst , those who booed the previous President and called him a liar will not accept this plan for themselves.

[stocks]

No American Should Have to Choose Between Health Insurance and Getting Drunk

[MaryAM]

Yanno, a large deductible health insurance policy is pretty darned cheap...cheaper than my co-pay when I worked at a company that provided insurance for me.

I view it as a responsibility to the rest of the responsible citizens (and I didn't get that when I was 21 years old).

Mark

I currently use a "National Government Health Plan" - Its called the VA. I started using it when my premiums on private insurance exceeded $1,000 per month (more that I ever paid in a mortgage payment). No - I don't get to choose my doctors - but I have never had a bad one. And I have to pay co-pays for visits and prescriptions (runs around $400 when I order up prescriptions for a three month period and see my doctors). I get a treatment for my asthma that would never be covered under private insurance (three shots every two weeks of Xolair). I can walk into any VA facility across the country, swipe my card, and my entire medical record is there for my attending doctor to see within seconds. I don't have a problem with this.
Mary Anne

[stocks]

Senate to close loophole that doesn’t exist


The controversy over Republican Rep. Joe Wilson's shouting out "You Lie!" at the President over his claim that illegal immigrants wouldn't benefit from health-care reform apparently sparked some reconsideration of the relevant language. "We really thought we'd resolved this question of people who are here illegally, but as we reflected on the President's speech last night we wanted to go back and drill down again," said Senator Kent Conrad, one of the Democrats in the talks after a meeting Thursday morning. Baucus later that afternoon said the group would put in a proof of citizenship requirement to participate in the new health exchange — a move likely to inflame the left.

http://www.politico....ilson_wins.html