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[OEXCHAOS]

Really helpful and a bit witty.

http://wattsupwithth...ing-cru-tricks/

The graphic is particularly cute and generated a guffaw from Mrs. Chaos and I this morning.

[Rogerdodger]

The CO2 measurement is interesting.
As with the temperature station problems, CO2 measurement also seems to be a bit "prone to error."
LINK
6 May 2009

Global. The global average CO2 record based on marine boundary layer sites was corrected because of a sampling problem at Cold Bay, Alaska, that had developed over the last few months. It caused increasingly larger errors on the high side.
19 November 2008

We corrected an error in the data posted for the previous October on 3 November 2008. The assigned CO2 values for the reference gas mixtures in use at our Pt. Barrow Observatory, Alaska, had mistakenly been used in calculating CO2 mole fraction values for the Mauna Loa data, resulting in a value for October that was ~1.5 ppm too high.
4 August 2008

The CO2 analyzer was down during most of July. Measurements resumed on 22 July 2008, so that there were only 10 days of data from 22 through 31 July. Every year, photosynthesis by plants removes CO2 from the atmosphere during the growing season. At Mauna Loa the rate of decrease is highest in July and August

3 September 2008

On 24 July 2008 the middle reference gas cylinder was switched out, but the new reference value was not entered in the database at that time. The CO2 mole fraction in the new cylinder is higher than the old cylinder by 1.15 ppm, but the quadratic fit describing the analyzer response in volts to the CO2 mole fraction, did not "know" that the reference gas had a higher value. We saw the error two weeks later, leading to an upward correction of the July value of 0.78 ppm. The error was also visible in the jump exhibited by the target gas measurements on 24 July. For more detail, we recommend reading how we measure background CO2 levels.




CO2 shown in this widget shows a steady rise.

It's affect on the atmosphere is unknown, especially in view of the fact that it's effect is minuscule compared to the big "greenhouse" villian: water vapor.
Also CO2 is a very small part of our Earth's air.
Man's CO2 contribution to the Greenhouse effect of CO2 is 0.117%!!!
Other than CFCs, man's effect on "Greenhouse Gasses" is nothing.
Besides, the effect of those gasses may actually be beneficial!


Caveat: This analysis is intended to provide a simplified comparison of the various man-made and natural greenhouse gases on an equal basis with each other. It does not take into account all of the complicated interactions between atmosphere, ocean, and terrestrial systems, a feat which can only be accomplished by better computer models than are currently in use.

Edited by Rogerdodger, 12 December 2009 - 06:47 PM.

[stocks]

Dear global warming fanatics,

Please. Stop. You’re embarrassing yourselves. Take a deep breath, and try to understand what has happened to you during the past month. You need to accept that your dreams of global domination are over. Increasingly shrill attempts to terrify the masses into ignoring Climagate are only making you look foolish. The con job you’ve been running for the last thirty years is busted forever.

I know this is difficult for you to accept. Things seemed to be going well. You’ve got the cap-and-trade bill lurking over the United States, ready to shatter an already weakened economy plagued with unemployment problems, and effectively end America’s role as a dominant industrial power. Your beliefs have been instituted in public schools as the official state religion, whose rituals and incantations are forced upon millions of school children. The wealthy royalty of popular culture is pleased to produce an endless string of movies, music, and television programming to market your beliefs. Your critics were marginalized to the point where the presidential candidate from the 2000 Democrat ticket felt comfortable referring to them as Nazis.

I can see how losing all of this cultural and political power in a few short weeks would be stunning. I hope the shock has dissipated enough for you to understand where we are now, and where we are going from here.

You aren’t going to frighten the world into reducing the human population. You’re not going to succeed in terrorizing free people into embracing totalitarianism, to fend off a phantasmal catastrophe that no democratic nation has the discipline to combat. We’re not going to politely ignore swarms of private jets and limos ferrying you to carbon-belching “climate summits,” where you draw up plans for the Western proletariat to live as primitive hunter-gatherers. We’re not going to let a pampered elitist, who once flew around the world to attend cricket practice, tell us that we need to make do without air travel and ice water.

We’ll never be foolish enough to allow a band of fanatics to use “peer review” to rule all dissenting opinion out-of-bounds, then declare themselves the proud owners of a mighty consensus. You global-warming fanatics underestimate how much you needed those tactics to gain power. You’ll never have that kind of unchallenged authority again, because we will never stop demanding the raw data, and we’ll drown you in laughter when you mutter something about deleting it by accident. We will never forget that you began with a conclusion and sought to harvest data that supported it – the exact opposite of the scientific method.

http://hotair.com/gr...l-warming-cult/

[Rogerdodger]

Greece admits it is riddled with corruption...
Welcome to my world!

It's not about science or truth. It's about an agenda.
That's why they don't live what they preach.
That's why they responded with anger rather than relief to find that the AGW data was a fraud.
These same people with the same agenda I've heard since childhood have now taken over politics, business, science, the media and academia.

The administration's "Green Jobs" czar, Van Jones, has a "very checkered past" deep-rooted in radical politics, including black nationalism, anarchism, and communism.
And he said himself that he was radicalized in jail, that he found communism and anarchism. And then he started a pretty radical, kind of communist, socialist, utopian group that was supposed to end all racism though central planning. And then he decided that the real path the sort of progressive nirvana, was the this green jobs idea.
It's the same sort of philosophy, the idea that government ought to be reordering society in accordance with some utopian vision that failed with communism and socialism, and will fail with this green jobs idea. We are imposing a top-down vision.

CHINA: Population control key to Global Warming deal...

Canada's National Newspaper calls for Worldwide One Child Policy...

Eat less meat and dairy to fight climate change...

AUTHOR OF STORY HAS TWO CHILDREN...

UN Security Stops Journalist's Questions About ClimateGate...

Edited by Rogerdodger, 12 December 2009 - 11:37 PM.

[stocks]

A short tour of previous AGW highlights

The Y2K Glitch. This episode involved the NASA/GISS team led by James Hansen, possibly the most fanatical and unrelenting of all warmists -- a man who makes Al Gore look like a skeptic. (Among other things, Hansen has demanded that warming "deniers" be tried for "crimes against humanity.") While examining a series of NASA temperature graphs, Canadian statistician Steve McIntyre, himself not so much a skeptic as an anti-warming Van Helsing, uncovered a discontinuity occurring in January 2000 that raised temperatures gathered over widespread areas by 1-2 degrees Fahrenheit. McIntyre had no easy time of it, since Hansen refused to reveal what algorithm he'd used to process the data, forcing McIntyre to perform some very abstruse calculations to figure it out.

Once notified, Hansen's team promised to correct the error, stating that it was an "oversight." When the corrected figures were at last released, they rocked the church of warming from bingo hall to steeple. Vanished was the claim that the past few years were "the warmest on record." Now 1934 took precedence. A full half of the top ten warmest years occurred before WWII, well prior to any massive CO2 buildup.

No explanation has ever been offered. We have a Y2K glitch that behaves like no other computer glitch ever encountered, uniformly affecting a large number of sources distributed almost nationwide. Although the incident trashed all recent data and raised uncomfortable questions about the warming thesis as a whole, NASA itself made no effort at an investigation or inquiry. All that we're ever going to hear is "oversight." I guess that's how they do things at NASA/GISS.

The Arctic Ice Melt. We've been informed for the better part of a decade that Arctic ice was melting at an unprecedented rate, and that the North Pole would be ice-free in twenty, thirty, or forty years, depending in the hysteria level of the media platform in question. In truth, ice thinning was due to a cyclical weather pattern in which winds blow ice floes south into warmer water. Everybody involved knew that this cycle occurred, everyone had seen it happen previously since time out of mind. But it was too good an opportunity to pass up. Worse yet, when the weather returned to its normal pattern two years ago, large numbers of scientists put in considerable effort to suggest that the "new" ice was thinner than usual and would vanish in a flash as soon as the temperatures went back up. The media went along with the joke. The Germans have a phrase to cover such eventualities: "this crew should be stripped of their trade." (Several expeditions setting out for the Pole to "call attention" to the coming Arctic catastrophe had to stop short due to icy conditions. In one case, both women involved suffered serious frostbite.)

The Poor Polar Bears. Closely related is the saga of the polar bears, staring extinction in the face due to warming, while somewhere beyond the aurora, Gaia weeps bitter tears. This was evidently inspired by a single photograph (you've seen it -- the entire world has at this point) of a woebegone polar bear crouched on a melting iceberg. That bear had to be sulking over allowing a nice, juicy seal to escape, because it was in no danger. Out of the twenty major polar bear populations, only two are known to be decreasing. Estimates of bear population (there are no exact figures) have increased over the past forty years, from 17,000 to 19,000 to the current number of 22,000 to 27,000. The bears are becoming pests in municipalities such as Churchill and Point Barrow (as clearly shown here). Despite all this, the bear was put on the U.S. "endangered" list just last year.

The Hockey Stick That Wasn't. The "hockey stick" is a nickname for a chart prepared by Michael Mann, a Pennsylvania State University professor and leading warmist. The chart purports to show temperature levels for the past millennium, and consists of a straight line until it reaches the late 20th century, when it suddenly shoots upward, creating the "hockey stick" profile. This chart was a major feature of International Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) reports on global warming and is a commonly used media graphic.

This chart creates immediate doubt in anyone knowledgeable about the climate of the past millennium, which more resembles a roller coaster than a straight line. It developed -- in yet another impressive McIntyre takedown, this time with an assist from Ross McKitrick -- that Mann was utilizing an algorithm that would produce hockey sticks if you fed it telephone numbers. (Mann is the "Mike" mentioned in the CRU e-mails, and this is one of his "tricks.") Despite this disclosure, Mann has never withdrawn the chart, offered an explanation, or made a correction. The chart remains an accepted piece of evidence among warmists.

Tree-Ring Circus. Due to the fact that direct temperature measures for past epochs are lacking, climatologists utilize "proxy measures," such as tree rings, glacial moraines, and lake sediments. Tree rings have played an important part in the warming controversy as evidence backing the claim that temperatures have been consistently lower worldwide until recently. A crucial series of measurements utilized by Mann, among others, involves trees located on the Yamal peninsula in Siberia. How many trees were measured, you ask? A hundred? A thousand? Ten thousand?

The answer is twelve: a number perfectly adequate to trigger international panic, overthrow the capitalist system, establish Green totalitarianism, and completely turn Western culture on its head.

But it turns out that further measurements were in fact made in the area, involving at least thirty-four other trees. And when this data is added to the original twelve, then the warming evidence disappears into the same branch of the Twilight Zone as the grip of Mann's hockey stick. Another "oversight", you understand.

We could go on to mention the automated U.S. weather stations chronicled by the tireless Anthony Watts, which were conscientiously placed next to air-con vents, atop sewage plants, in parking lots, and in one case, in a swamp (as many as 90% may be giving spurious high readings). We could mention the glaciers that are vanishing worldwide...except where they aren't, or the endless papers demonstrating that the coral reefs -- along with various birds, animals, insects, and plants -- are facing extinction even though no warming whatsoever has occurred for twelve years. (And in the thirty years before that, the total rise was 1.25 degrees Fahrenheit, easily within normal variation.) Powerful stuff, this warming -- it maims and destroys even when it's not happening.

It's within this context that the East Anglia e-mails must be judged. The vanishingly small number of legacy media writers who are paying attention behave as if the messages comprise some kind of puzzling anomaly, with no relation to anything that came before. In truth, they stand as the internal memos from the East Anglia branch of the Nigerian National Bank, which can save us from the horrors of global warming after payment of a small up-front fee.

http://www.americant..._and_the_f.html

[*JB*]

It's affect on the atmosphere is unknown, especially in view of the fact that it's effect is minuscule compared to the big "greenhouse" villian: water vapor.
Also CO2 is a very small part of our Earth's air.
Man's CO2 contribution to the Greenhouse effect of CO2 is 0.117%!!!

Roger,

If you look it up -- of the 0.117% of CO2 in the atmosphere -- you'll find that NATURE'S contribution to CO2 accounts 95-97 percent -- man's is approx. 3-5%. (IOW -- 5% of the 0.117%)

You will also find that warming PRECEEDS CO2 build up in the atmosphere, it does NOT follow CO2 build up -- AND -- we had a 500-600 year mini ice age that ended in the last 1/2 of the 1800s. We have been reverting to the mean since.

Edited by *JB*, 13 December 2009 - 09:51 PM.

[OEXCHAOS]

You know, I'll bet you that 90% of AGW skeptics and those smeared as "deniers" would support programs to increase forestation as a carbon sink. I know I would. Of course, we know that land use is behind much of the observed warming and we could use more trees, especially in the cities and ''burbs. Honest question: Why do city zoning folks obsess on stupid things, but ignore things like shade? I can't tell you how nice it is to park in a lot with some trees nor how nasty it is on an August day to park in the middle of an asphalt wasteland. M

[Rogerdodger]

You know, I'll bet you that 90% of AGW skeptics and those smeared as "deniers" would support programs to increase forestation as a carbon sink.

My fondest memories are of those days in the Boy scouts when we would hike 50 miles @ 10 miles a day through the pristine Kiamichi Mountains in south-east Oklahoma.
Or heading north to float and camp the Illinois River, Spring River and nearby Buffalo River.
Or scuba diving in the clear waters of Lake Tenkiller, fed by the Illinois.

Oklahoma is suing the poultry farmers in neighboring Arkansas to keep their waste out of these beauties. We want to preserve our beautiful home for ourselves and our children.

To assume that a nature lover wants a polluted earth because he can see the fraud in the GW "science" is a typical accusation from those lacking proof.
But that's what they do.


Spring River





Beavers Bend State Park

Edited by Rogerdodger, 15 December 2009 - 11:56 PM.

[Rogerdodger]

PS: That the big rock in the picture is limestone.
It makes for very clear rivers and streams since there is not much sediment infiltration.
It was not trucked in.

It was formed at the bottom of the ocean during the Cretaceous Period which lasted from 135 Million Years ago to 65 million Years ago, when most of the British Isles were also under water.
Algae skeletons accumulated on the sea bed. The skeletons, or coccoliths, were made of calcite and it is this accumulation that has formed the rock.

How did Oklahoma and the British Isles find themselves under water before anthropological global warming began?

Just wondering.

Edited by Rogerdodger, 16 December 2009 - 12:56 AM.