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[stocks]

Salt intake

The UC Davis study (published in the October issue of The Clinical Journal of the American Society of Nephrology) looked at data from more than 19,000 individuals from 33 countries worldwide. It determined that daily sodium intake ranges only from 2,700 milligrams to 4,900 mg, with the worldwide average of 3,700 mg.

It also determined that the average American consumes about 3,400 mg a day -- disproving the claim spread by advocates such as the Center for Science in the Public Interest that US salt consumption is out of control.


Another study had used intensive dietary counseling to get participants to cut daily sodium intake to an average of 1,775 mg over four weeks. After that, the subjects, while still receiving counseling, were randomly split into two groups -- one getting a sodium tablet, the other a placebo.

Those who got the placebo still raised their intake by nearly 1,000 mg, while those on the sodium tablet actually cut their dietary-sodium consumption to compensate.

These people didn't know how much sodium they were getting -- they unconsciously changed their diets to match what their bodies "knew" they needed.

http://cei.org/artic...13/salt-science

[stocks]

Chefs Call Proposed New York Salt Ban 'Absurd'

- New York City chefs and restaurant owners are taking aim at a bill introduced in the New York Legislature that, if passed, would ban the use of salt in restaurant cooking.

"No owner or operator of a restaurant in this state shall use salt in any form in the preparation of any food for consumption by customers of such restaurant, including food prepared to be consumed on the premises of such restaurant or off of such premises," the bill, A. 10129 , states in part.

The legislation, which Assemblyman Felix Ortiz , D-Brooklyn, introduced on March 5, would fine restaurants $1,000 for each violation.

http://www.myfoxny.c...rd-20100310-akd

[mss]

NYC - Don't use salt but heroin is OK if used safe

New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg defends pamphlet for heroin users
By Trish LaMonte
January 06, 2010, 9:20AM
New York City's "10 Tips for Safer Use" pamphlet on heroin.New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg is defending a decision by the city's Department of Health and Mental Hygiene to print a pamphlet for heroin users, which offers information on how to prepare drugs carefully and how to care for veins to avoid infection.

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AND the ill advised keep using your tax money for ----------- control of our lives, but surly you jest, NOPE!!

mss

[maineman]

Drug addicts will be drug addicts, smokers will be smokers and fat people will be fat. You can laugh at them or yell at them, if you like. Studies have shown that drug education and needle exchange programs significantly reduce Hep C and B, HIV and more. The cost to society is huge for these diseases. Many don't have health insurance so they end up in the ER (the "republican option"). Treatment of Hep C, for instance, costs 10s of thousands of dollars PER WEEK. Those who do have health insurance, it STILL costs 10s of thousands per week. This is smart policy. Unless you just want to round up the drug addicts, smokers, and fatties and kill them all? mm

[OEXCHAOS]

Most of the costs to society from drug use stems from their illegality. There are huge costs from the drug use, but those are reducible when they're not unavoidable (in a free society). Still, the irony is rich, regardless. Ortiz is a dolt.

[stocks]

The War on Salt Goes National

The Food and Drug Administration is planning an unprecedented effort to gradually reduce the salt consumed each day by Americans, saying that less sodium in everything from soup to nuts would prevent thousands of deaths from hypertension and heart disease. The initiative, to be launched this year, would eventually lead to the first legal limits on the amount of salt allowed in food products ...


The hubris here is staggering. The federal government is going to analyze the salt content in countless different types of processed food, establish limits (and based on what? How much salt is good for me? You? There is no "right" amount of daily salt consumption. Some people should cut back on salt, but others don’t need to. A study in Current Opinion in Cardiology found that people who ate low-salt diets were 37 percent more likely to die of cardiovascular disease.

Dr. Michael Alderman, head of the American Society of Hypertension, America's biggest organization of specialists in high blood pressure, wrote in a review of the science in 2000:

The problem with this appealing possibility is that a reduction in salt consumption of this magnitude has other—and sometimes adverse—health consequences ... Without knowledge of the sum of the multiple effects of a reduced sodium diet, no single universal prescription for sodium intake can be scientifically justified.


Read more: http://stossel.blogs.../#ixzz0lqBk8vbE

[OEXCHAOS]

I'm beginning to think that the FDA, EPA, and USDA all ought to be de-funded.

[Rogerdodger]

I'm beginning to think that the FDA, EPA, and USDA all ought to be de-funded.

That's a mighty short list...


I had a friend go on a no salt diet and wound up in the hospital.
So..."Moderation in all things...except moderation."

Wars have been fought and highways have been built for access to salt.
Salt is so important that our word for salary and the phrase "worth his salt" are said to refer to the times when salt was received along with money as wages for Roman soldiers.
Salary originates from the Latin 'salarium', the quota of salt given to Roman soldiers along with their pay.

And don't forget Mahatma Gandhi's Salt Satyagraha in 1930 in protest over the British salt tax.
Thousands courted arrest and were imprisoned in large numbers.
It sounds like a good old fashioned "Tea Party."

[mss]

I'm beginning to think that the FDA, EPA, and USDA all ought to be de-funded.

That's a mighty short list...


I had a friend go on a no salt diet and wound up in the hospital.
So..."Moderation in all things...except moderation."

Wars have been fought and highways have been built for access to salt.
Salt is so important that our word for salary and the phrase "worth his salt" are said to refer to the times when salt was received along with money as wages for Roman soldiers.
Salary originates from the Latin 'salarium', the quota of salt given to Roman soldiers along with their pay.

And don't forget Mahatma Gandhi's Salt Satyagraha in 1930 in protest over the British salt tax.
Thousands courted arrest and were imprisoned in large numbers.
It sounds like a good old fashioned "Tea Party."

"salty party"
Gun powder was made from saltpeter mined from Saltville Va.and it was used for other purposes.

[maineman]

Since I'm censored here, I'm not sure why I'm responding. But here goes. The "salt" issue is a prime example of the beauty and complexity of life and science. As stated by me here before: science is hard. But the "hubris" and/or naivity associated with it exemplifies so much of what we've "tried" discuss on the health and sanity board. It is not black and white and it is FAR from simple. In fact, salt regulation by the body is one of the most complex biologic processes on board. Just ask any struggling first or second year medical student Anyway the point is that the body, our bodies are much, much smarter than our brains. It is naive to read an article about "salt" or hear something and "assume" you should eat less or more or whatever, in much the same vein that it is naive to hear or read an article about Vitamin C or Gingko or who knows what and make some illogical leaps of assumption, head to the "health food store"a and start self medicating. It just doesn't work that way. A healthy person eats too much salt. Guess what happens? They get thirsty and urinate more, due to a complex interaction between the kidneys, the brain, the adrenal glands, the colon, etc. etc. End of story. But, if there is anything wrong with any of those systems, excess salt will lead to excess fluid which can lead to hypertension, heart failure and more, so you see, its complicated. In "fast food" (and I use that term loosely) there is way too much salt. Getting the fast food companies to scale that back is a good thing. Whether it needs to be done by mandate or whether we allow all 300 million "brilliant" and self-educated , "don't tread on me" self-aware Americans make those food "choices" themselves, is "above my pay scale". FWIW, the "salt" and hypertension science is waaay complicated. Where I went to medical school was/is the leading place for this research in the USA. Some pretty smart people coming up with very different conclusions. What does that mean? It means we have a long way to go on the research. In the meantime common sense should prevail (remember common sense?). Eat a balanced diet of really good, healthy foods. Pig out once in awhile. Get drunk once in awhile. Never smoke. No need to add wack-nut stuff out of bottles from "health food stores" or "fitness" sites because they "seem to make sense". Get an annual check up. You can find out if you have hypertension, you can find out what your kidney function is, you can see what your electrolytes are. That simple. j And if you buy a bag or box of some artificial looking crap like potato chips or oddly shaped items that taste good and salty, they probably are too salty and probably are crap. So, you eat some once in awhile. So what? Where the government (don't get apopletic you narrow-headed libertarians) is trying to do is regulate where you have companies selling "Healthy" meals, soups, etc. with fancy, deceptive flowery labels, like "organic" or "all natural" that are full of crap. You'd be amazed at the number of reasonably intelligent people I take care of who fall for that deception. Or, we let those 300 million self-aware Americans make their own choices...? mm