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[voltaire]

Global climate change scientists predicted that the weather would get wilder with much more "events". Yes, I hear you say, it happened before and will again. Here's a suggestion. Let's start counting the extreme events. Oh, it's not man made, just natural change. So what will convince you? Absolutely nothing! That's the beauty about irrationalism. You can maintain it until oblivion.

[diogenes227]

Saw this movie this week.

CHASING ICE

Absolutely spectacular, quite beautiful and totally horrifying.

Climate change unfolds before the naked eye in places where it can be most obviously seen, and now at ever increasing speed.

[diogenes227]

Saw this movie this week.

CHASING ICE

Absolutely spectacular, quite beautiful and totally horrifying.

Climate change unfolds before the naked eye in places where it can be most obviously seen, and now at ever increasing speed.

Same guy as in the movie and a capsule of the time-lapse photography:

James Balog: Extreme Ice Survey

[Rogerdodger]

If one takes a myopic view of the earth's climate and ignores historical evidence over the vast millennia, and if one ignores sun cycles, then panic surely sets in and the sky appears to be falling with each change in the wind direction.
When the sky doesn't fall as predicted, then Chicken Little shouts: "The sky is...changing."

Think in terms of Eons, Eras, Epochs and Ages of time, not just a few decades of weather history.

But even if we look back just a few decades, this looks a bit like the mid 1930's cycle which saw drought and extreme cold, followed by record heat.
Weather records show 1930′s as being far worse than the present for extreme weather!

Coincidentally, during a wild April storm in 1934, a record wind gust of 231 miles per hour pushed across the summit of Mount Washington.
It was the highest wind speed ever recorded anywhere on earth. But that doesn't mean it was the fastest EVER, throughout eons of time. Just the fastest in a myopic time frame of a few decades.

But the end was not yet.

Researchers have only known about the solar cycle since the mid-1800s!

"If our prediction is correct, Solar Cycle 24 will have a peak sunspot number of 90, the lowest of any cycle since 1928 when Solar Cycle 16 peaked at 78.
It is tempting to describe such a cycle as "weak" or "mild," but that could give the wrong impression.
Even a below-average cycle is capable of producing severe space weather," points out Biesecker. "The great geomagnetic storm of 1859, for instance, occurred during a solar cycle of about the same size we’re predicting for 2013.
Meanwhile, the sun pays little heed to human committees. There could be more surprises, panelists acknowledge, and more revisions to the forecast.
"Go ahead and mark your calendar for May 2013," says Pesnell. "But use a pencil."

Edited by Rogerdodger, 27 October 2012 - 10:10 AM.

[stocks]

Will the Frankenstorm be as bad as the Blizzard of 1888?

The Great Blizzard of 1888 (March 11 – March 14, 1888) was one of the most severe recorded blizzards in the history of the United States. Snowfalls of 40-50 inches (102–127 cm) fell in parts of New Jersey, New York, Massachusetts and Connecticut, and sustained winds of more than 45 miles per hour (72 km/h) produced snowdrifts in excess of 50 feet (15.2 m). Railroads were shut down and people were confined to their houses for up to a week.[1]

http://en.wikipedia....lizzard_of_1888


Or the year without a summer?


Mount Tambora is an active stratovolcano, also known as a composite volcano, on the island of Sumbawa, Indonesia.

After a large magma chamber inside the mountain filled over the course of several decades, volcanic activity reached an historic climax in the super-colossal eruption of April 10, 1815.[5] The 1815 eruption was approximately VEI 7, the only eruption of that size since the Lake Taupo eruption in about 180 CE.[6]

With an estimated ejecta volume of 160 km3 (38 cu mi), Tambora's 1815 outburst was the largest volcanic eruption in recorded history. The explosion was heard on Sumatra island more than 2,000 km (1,200 mi) away. Heavy volcanic ash falls were observed as far away as Borneo, Sulawesi, Java and Maluku islands. Most deaths from the eruption were from starvation and disease, as the eruptive fallout ruined agricultural productivity in the local region. The death toll was at least 71,000 people (the deadliest eruption in recorded history), of whom 11,000–12,000 were killed directly by the eruption;[6] the often-cited figure of 92,000 people killed is believed to be overestimated.[7]

The eruption caused global climate anomalies that included the phenomenon known as "volcanic winter": 1816 became known as the "Year Without a Summer" because of the effect on North American and European weather. Agricultural crops failed and livestock died in much of the Northern Hemisphere, resulting in the worst famine of the 19th century.[6]


http://en.wikipedia....i/Mount_Tambora


Or the afternoon of August 3, 1562?

On the afternoon of August 3, 1562, a thunderstorm struck central Europe across a front several hundred kilometers long. After raging for several hours, the storm unleashed a terrific hail that continued until midnight. It destroyed crops. It destroyed vineyards, birds and unprotected horses and cows.

The storm was deemed so unusual in this period of superstition that it had to be unnatural. It had to be supernatural. Thus, superstition and witchcraft bred a precautionary response. Eradicate those responsible for the storm and this period of new storminess.

Now, it was well known that people could cook weather with the help of Satan, so thus did extreme conditions of the severest part of the Little Ice Age contribute to Europe’s most horrific period of mass executions and witch trials.

The estimates now are about 50,000 executions across Europe, and no country was spared of this.

There were skeptics who stood up, but they were often accused of or threatened to be accused of sorcery to squash any debate.

http://www.independe...asp?eventID=111

[stocks]

1938 Frankenstorm, 1944 Frankenstorm, 1954 Frankenstorm, 1950 Frankenstorm

They declared Tampa doomed in August from hurricane? Isaac, and blamed it on G@d’s wrath against Republicans. Nothing happened in Tampa, and now they are doing the same for hurricane (tropical storm?) Sandy.

There are never any retractions or corrections ex post facto. They lay blame for future theoretical events and build up anger and hatred against the accused. Just as their witch burning ancestors did in the past.



https://stevengoddar...run-witchcraft/

[voltaire]

Saw this movie this week.

CHASING ICE

Absolutely spectacular, quite beautiful and totally horrifying.

Climate change unfolds before the naked eye in places where it can be most obviously seen, and now at ever increasing speed.

Diogenes

Looks awesome.

Regardless of climate ideas, a must see.

[stocks]

Hurricane Experts Contradict FrankenZealots

Influence small, almost certainly undetectable. and this view is not particularly controversial among tropical cyclone climatologists
Chris Landsea
Nation Hurricane Center


http://rogerpielkejr...ng-science.html

[fib_1618]

Oh, it's not man made, just natural change.

Question: what if all the changes that man is doing to "fight off" climate change is actually promoting this same change?

Where, left untreated, there would be no change at all?

That's the beauty about irrationalism.

An emotional bias has no basis in science.

Fib

[stocks]

The Science is Settled -- .6Hurricane Sandy Not From Global Warming

We Have a consensus -- 97% of scientists agree

[Martin Hoerling] As to underlying causes, neither the frequency of tropical or extratropical cyclones over the North Atlantic are projected to appreciably change due to climate change, nor have there been indications of a change in their statistical behavior over this region in recent decades (see IPCC 2012 SREX report)...
[Trenberth] So we do have a negative NAO and some blocking anticyclone in place, but the null hypothesis has to be that this is just “weather” and natural variability.
...
[Patrick Michaels] It’s also consistent with a planet with colder temperatures as well as one with warmer ones. More important, events like this are inevitable on a planet that has an ocean with the geography of the Atlantic (meaning a Gulf Stream-like feature), a large north-south continent on its western margin without a transverse mountain range to inhibit the merger of tropical warmth with polar cold, and four seasons in the temperate latitudes. And I predict confidently that we will survive Sandy, which should not be a tropical cyclone at landfall.