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[diogenes227]

 

 

Such a bad decision for my country....I'm so so disappointed

As we can see, nearly half of everyone will always be disappointed and disagree with the other half.

 

Some love the idealized dream of globalization/homogenization of the whole world and the resulting control by the few, the powerful.

Personally, I like local control. I don't want the King of England or the IMF or Brussels telling me when to mow my lawn.

But I hear that the majority in America did not want independence from England. 

Go figure.

 

The reality of Human Nature will never allow John Lennon's Imagine dream.

But if you like it, unlock your front door and let anyone in to take anything they like and do as they please.

Let me know how that works out.

 

"Imagine there's no countries
It isn't hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion too
Imagine all the people living life in peace, you

You may say I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope some day you'll join us
And the world will be as one

Imagine no possessions
I wonder if you can
No need for greed or hunger
A brotherhood of man
Imagine all the people sharing all the world.

 John Lennon - Imagine Lyrics | MetroLyrics

 

Under the present paradigm humans use 10 percent or so of there brains. Until that changes nothing changes.

 

 

 

"there" brains -- you have proved your point about the 10 percent.

 

Good one. 

[clueless]

The last vestiges of Western Civilization have collapsed into a full tribal society in Europe and the US- not just multicultural.  It has accelerated in a downward spiral since the end of WWII - at least in the US when we started accepting any one and everyone from other parts of the world who wanted to come here for what ever reason - not just religious freedom.  With a tribal society you can have no laws that are enforceable.  No single language and no common faith.  Nothing to center on and no common values.  Those that immigrated from Europe in the early years of our country basically had much the same values of work and family - they learned English - and didn't  expect any aspect of their life to be communicated in so many different languages that you can't figure out what page of the instructions you can read to operate your new coffee pot. Yes they came seeking religious freedom - but were all essentially Christians with many common values and common beliefs.   No one was "insulted" by someone saying "Merry Christmas" - but those of us with many generations in this country no longer know who in the hell we are going to offend from one minute to the next by just being who we are.  Those running the EU and the FED are essentially tribal entities with a tribal mentality serving only members of their tribe that adhere to their instructions- they have never descended from any civilization in the history of the world.  Even during the period of the Roman Empire - many different races existed within its territories - However - if you did not speak the language, adhere to the religion of the empire, aspire to be part of the system you were termed a "barbarian" and although you lived within the empire the government provided you with nothing.  We need to return to what worked for centuries.   Oh yes - the Roman Empire collapsed when immigration got out of control and its currency was no longer accepted in trade - I think their fiat currency (leather coins) lasted about 70 years old before this happened (they became so important that gold didn't matter any more - until it did matter once again and then it was too late).   The average length of time a fiat currency lasts in an advanced country is about 30 years - we are living on borrowed time.   Its only a matter of time before states begin to exit the US. 

Lots of food for thought there. interesting that Rome fell having debased its currency to fight wars for empire. If that is the price of ending the endless wars it would be worth it. 

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[dasein]

I dont see it as the immigrants who impose this - but there is a zealous part of society - what I might call leftist fascists - who insist the whole world must think like they do and everyone who is different deserves to have everything these people have interpreted for them  - these people are used by the promoters to bring in money to the promoters - usually politicians and big business - I was walking by the Gay Pride Parade here in NYC today - it seems the same - nothing is as it was when it started - Stonewall is now a profit opp and a fashion statement only where people walk around wearing rainbow clothes and care about how good they look - it has very little to do with the struggle at that time - now it is people clamouring for health insurance to pay for a sex change operation when before it was about being treated as a human being and getting equal rights - like most groups before them. It all ends up being about money - mostly money for the promoters not for the "disenfranchised"

[Venatici]

So dismayed to read the posts on this forum. Why the ultra nationalism? Why the aggression? Why the fear? The verbatim used in many of the posts is shocking! Talking about other people like they are not humans.

Immigrants you say? Barbarians? Different? Other languages? Another religion(s)... God forbid! And many here in this forum, are from countries that were built on the backs of hard working emigrants or are from countries were such emigrants came from. But suddenly everybody suffers from amnesia, and think they are special.

European Union with its faults and failures is a project that in its entirety was made to avoid another WWI and WWII, to promote peace between the many nations of Europe. To create a space for dialogue, to allow for nations with different cultures to reach an understanding. Ultimately aiming to improve the lives of every one, to diminish injustices and make Europe and ultimately the world a safer place. This is a never ending work, an iteration process with steps forward and backward. E.U. being doing work for aprox half century, and now everyone is eager to set the building on fire.

So please stop the fear.

Have a great day.

Regards,

Edited by Venatici, 26 June 2016 - 04:13 PM.

[salam]

So dismayed to read the posts on this forum. Why the ultra nationalism? Why the aggression? Why the fear? The verbatim used in many of the posts is shocking! Talking about other people like they are not humans.
Immigrants you say? Barbarians? Different? Other languages? Another religion(s)... God forbid! And many here in this forum, are from countries that were built on the backs of hard working emigrants or are from countries were such emigrants came from. But suddenly everybody suffers from amnesia, and think they are special.
European Union with its faults and failures is a project that in its entirety was made to avoid another WWI and WWII, to promote peace between the many nations of Europe. To create a space for dialogue, to allow for nations with different cultures to reach an understanding. Ultimately aiming to improve the lives of every one, to diminish injustices and make Europe and ultimately the world a safer place. This is a never ending work, an iteration process with steps forward and backward. E.U. being doing work for aprox half century, and now everyone is eager to set the building on fire.
So please stop the fear.
Have a great day.
Regards,

Very well said sir!

[clueless]

So dismayed to read the posts on this forum. Why the ultra nationalism? Why the aggression? Why the fear? The verbatim used in many of the posts is shocking! Talking about other people like they are not humans.

Immigrants you say? Barbarians? Different? Other languages? Another religion(s)... God forbid! And many here in this forum, are from countries that were built on the backs of hard working emigrants or are from countries were such emigrants came from. But suddenly everybody suffers from amnesia, and think they are special.

European Union with its faults and failures is a project that in its entirety was made to avoid another WWI and WWII, to promote peace between the many nations of Europe. To create a space for dialogue, to allow for nations with different cultures to reach an understanding. Ultimately aiming to improve the lives of every one, to diminish injustices and make Europe and ultimately the world a safer place. This is a never ending work, an iteration process with steps forward and backward. E.U. being doing work for aprox half century, and now everyone is eager to set the building on fire.

So please stop the fear.

Have a great day.

Regards,

That all sounds good. If the EU had a Congress or Parliament with representation for the people and made these monumental decisions that affect all in accordance with the wishes of their constituents it might have functioned for peace as you describe. That is not the case. Cutting off trade with russia, spending their treasuries on a made up conflict with Russia, enacting crippling undemocratic corporate rights policies, inflicting "austerity" on countries in recession already suffering high unemployment, forcing toxic gmo food on countries with centuries old culinary traditions, threatening their jobs and livelihoods - none of which the people have a say in. And you wonder why it is failing.  Blame the bankers who betrayed the trust of the people. 

[EntropyModel]

 

That all sounds good. If the EU had a Congress or Parliament with representation for the people and made these monumental decisions that affect all in accordance with the wishes of their constituents it might have functioned for peace as you describe. That is not the case. Cutting off trade with russia, spending their treasuries on a made up conflict with Russia, enacting crippling undemocratic corporate rights policies, inflicting "austerity" on countries in recession already suffering high unemployment, forcing toxic gmo food on countries with centuries old culinary traditions, threatening their jobs and livelihoods - none of which the people have a say in. And you wonder why it is failing.  Blame the bankers who betrayed the trust of the people. 

 

 

Point of note, they do have representation in a parliament. Each country has elections and votes for MEP's, who are members of Euro Parliament. Britain has many who are Euro Skeptic from UKIP.  The issue is, that most of Europe is socialist, and so Britain's representatives are a minority view. Britain tried to negotiate exclusions and exceptions to work around this, but a minority view has little power, hence one main reason for those who voted to exit. 

https://en.wikipedia...pean_Parliament

 

[historical point - Infact, this referendum was called to solve a problem that goes back to the Maastricht treaty and opt out clauses by PM John Major, which is where EU went from an 'trading block' to a 'economic and political unification'. This was opposed by many in Tory party and basically divided the party. The only way Tories could avoid the split, was to promise a referendum, that is only reason we got one. https://en.wikipedia...astricht_Rebels ]

Edited by Entropy2.0, 26 June 2016 - 05:09 PM.

[clueless]

 

 

That all sounds good. If the EU had a Congress or Parliament with representation for the people and made these monumental decisions that affect all in accordance with the wishes of their constituents it might have functioned for peace as you describe. That is not the case. Cutting off trade with russia, spending their treasuries on a made up conflict with Russia, enacting crippling undemocratic corporate rights policies, inflicting "austerity" on countries in recession already suffering high unemployment, forcing toxic gmo food on countries with centuries old culinary traditions, threatening their jobs and livelihoods - none of which the people have a say in. And you wonder why it is failing.  Blame the bankers who betrayed the trust of the people. 

 

 

Point of note, they do have representation in a parliament. Each country has elections and votes for MEP's, who are members of Euro Parliament. Britain has many who are Euro Skeptic from UKIP.  The issue is, that most of Europe is socialist, and so Britain's representatives are a minority view. Britain tried to negotiate exclusions and exceptions to work around this, but a minority view has little power, hence one main reason for those who voted to exit. 

https://en.wikipedia...pean_Parliament

 

[historical point - Infact, this referendum was called to solve a problem that goes back to the Maastricht treaty and opt out clauses by PM John Major, which is where EU went from an 'trading block' to a 'economic and political unification'. This was opposed by many in Tory party and basically divided the party. The only way Tories could avoid the split, was to promise a referendum, that is only reason we got one. https://en.wikipedia...astricht_Rebels ]

 

thanks for the correction. Looks like the EU should have remained a trading block. It seems that the Euro Parliament no more reflects the will of the people than does the US Congress. Both may experience break ups. 

[EntropyModel]

 

 

 

That all sounds good. If the EU had a Congress or Parliament with representation for the people and made these monumental decisions that affect all in accordance with the wishes of their constituents it might have functioned for peace as you describe. That is not the case. Cutting off trade with russia, spending their treasuries on a made up conflict with Russia, enacting crippling undemocratic corporate rights policies, inflicting "austerity" on countries in recession already suffering high unemployment, forcing toxic gmo food on countries with centuries old culinary traditions, threatening their jobs and livelihoods - none of which the people have a say in. And you wonder why it is failing.  Blame the bankers who betrayed the trust of the people. 

 

 

Point of note, they do have representation in a parliament. Each country has elections and votes for MEP's, who are members of Euro Parliament. Britain has many who are Euro Skeptic from UKIP.  The issue is, that most of Europe is socialist, and so Britain's representatives are a minority view. Britain tried to negotiate exclusions and exceptions to work around this, but a minority view has little power, hence one main reason for those who voted to exit. 

https://en.wikipedia...pean_Parliament

 

[historical point - Infact, this referendum was called to solve a problem that goes back to the Maastricht treaty and opt out clauses by PM John Major, which is where EU went from an 'trading block' to a 'economic and political unification'. This was opposed by many in Tory party and basically divided the party. The only way Tories could avoid the split, was to promise a referendum, that is only reason we got one. https://en.wikipedia...astricht_Rebels ]

 

thanks for the correction. Looks like the EU should have remained a trading block. It seems that the Euro Parliament no more reflects the will of the people than does the US Congress. Both may experience break ups. 

 

 

I try to avoid politics, but yes I agree with that. I am concerned that the 'powers' will want to prove that leaving the EU is bad, by using the market to 'punish' the electorate, so

as traders we need to anticipate that.