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#1 linrom1

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Posted 23 March 2020 - 08:40 AM

So here I was looking for a trade-able low only to be scared away by panicked Fed yet again. Their latest program of unlimited purchases of bonds,mortgages and everything should scare the hell out of any one.

 

 



#2 Coach

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Posted 23 March 2020 - 08:55 AM

So here I was looking for a trade-able low only to be scared away by panicked Fed yet again. Their latest program of unlimited purchases of bonds,mortgages and everything should scare the hell out of any one.

 

 

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#3 redfoliage2

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Posted 23 March 2020 - 09:27 AM

To some it's very scaring and to some it's a life time opportunity .....................



#4 gm_general

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Posted 23 March 2020 - 10:10 AM

Real people don't push the market from highly positive to highly negative in one minute flat. Certain parties are deliberately throwing this market under the bus with trading programs. We had no such programs in 1918 and there was no great pandemic route. Trade programs make reaction 10 times as extreme and without any human common sense, not something we need right now.



#5 LMF

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Posted 23 March 2020 - 10:16 AM

Is this really scary if youve previously seen 1998 and 2009.....whats happening about every 10 years.

Edited by LMF, 23 March 2020 - 10:19 AM.


#6 Entropy3.0

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Posted 23 March 2020 - 10:25 AM

Real people don't push the market from highly positive to highly negative in one minute flat. Certain parties are deliberately throwing this market under the bus with trading programs. We had no such programs in 1918 and there was no great pandemic route. Trade programs make reaction 10 times as extreme and without any human common sense, not something we need right now.

 

Real people, if you mean retail have been small part of trading volume for many years, its not new. The 'bots (and now sophisticated anti human AI's) dominate the tape.

The move you saw before the open was just a typical bear market short covering rally on 'good news', but yes they are 'speeded' up by 'bots.  

However, it would be almost impossible to remove the 'bots now without causing a massive liquidity issue.

The phrase here is 'what goes around, comes around' - these same 'bots drove the market up for years against 'all human common sense' as well.


Pick a system, follow the system, ignore everything else.

#7 redfoliage2

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Posted 23 March 2020 - 10:26 AM

Real people don't push the market from highly positive to highly negative in one minute flat. Certain parties are deliberately throwing this market under the bus with trading programs. We had no such programs in 1918 and there was no great pandemic route. Trade programs make reaction 10 times as extreme and without any human common sense, not something we need right now.

Obviously there are political forces behind this organized crime using the virus as the hype.  Is the SEC looking into the manipulations in the index futures market where the crash engine runs .........


Edited by redfoliage2, 23 March 2020 - 10:33 AM.


#8 MDurkin

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Posted 23 March 2020 - 10:28 AM

 

Real people don't push the market from highly positive to highly negative in one minute flat. Certain parties are deliberately throwing this market under the bus with trading programs. We had no such programs in 1918 and there was no great pandemic route. Trade programs make reaction 10 times as extreme and without any human common sense, not something we need right now.

 

Real people, if you mean retail have been small part of trading volume for many years, its not new. The 'bots (and now sophisticated anti human AI's) dominate the tape.

The move you saw before the open was just a typical bear market short covering rally on 'good news', but yes they are 'speeded' up by 'bots.  

However, it would be almost impossible to remove the 'bots now without causing a massive liquidity issue.

The phrase here is 'what goes around, comes around' - these same 'bots drove the market up for years against 'all human common sense' as well.

Exactly. 



#9 12SPX

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Posted 23 March 2020 - 10:45 AM

Yes all very interesting, worst single expiration cycle ever, -28%!!  The only good news is that the 08 crisis saw a total -35% over 3 months and the dotcom bubble was also off -28% but that was over 4 months.  No matter what it looks like volatility will stick around for the next few months so we'll see how it goes.....



#10 redfoliage2

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Posted 23 March 2020 - 10:45 AM

 

Real people don't push the market from highly positive to highly negative in one minute flat. Certain parties are deliberately throwing this market under the bus with trading programs. We had no such programs in 1918 and there was no great pandemic route. Trade programs make reaction 10 times as extreme and without any human common sense, not something we need right now.

Obviously there are political forces behind this organized crime using the virus as the hype.  Is the SEC looking into the manipulations in the index futures market where the crash engine runs .........

 

The PPT should close the market for a while till the virus situation stabilized ..............