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#11 fib_1618

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Posted 21 June 2021 - 01:49 PM

What's stunning to me with regards to the jab advocates is the complete ignorance of basic nutrition and its role in disease avoidance. Vitamins D and C, zinc and selenium will protect you from serious illness and death. So many have been brainwashed by the pharmaceutical companies and their mouthpieces, the mainstream media who are little more than advertising agencies for them now, that they've accepted the false vaccine paradigm and abandoned reality. Disease is NOT caused by pharmaceutical deficiency. Until you accept that, you will continue to be the pharmaceutical companies' victim and never be healthy again.

 

Spot on...those who are "jab advocates" really do need to change the channel and do their own due diligence.

 

Bureaucrats are only after one thing with the help of the propaganda machine and using the emotion of fear...the power to control your every move, your every thought, from cradle to grave by creating problems that have no answers.

 

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#12 Rogerdodger

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Posted 21 June 2021 - 02:29 PM

Here is the opinion of noted Virologist Stanley Perlman, who has been studying coronaviruses for 39 years:

 

"On both sides, there's really a lack of information. That's why we have such extensive discussions and, in some cases, vituperative discussions," Perlman said. "There's really no data. It's really just opinions."

 

Then how have "just opinions" turn into full blown religious dogma?



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Posted 21 June 2021 - 02:33 PM

Actually, he's wrong, discussion is expressly forbidden. Only the pharmaceutical necessity narrative is even considered. It's just a question of which pharmaceuticals and how many are enough. The reality that the whole paradigm is completely wrong never sees the light of day.



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Posted 21 June 2021 - 03:06 PM

Actually, he's wrong, discussion is expressly forbidden. Only the pharmaceutical necessity narrative is even considered. It's just a question of which pharmaceuticals and how many are enough. The reality that the whole paradigm is completely wrong never sees the light of day.


Fully agree...and I’m just as angry (frustrated, sad??) as you are on how humans can be so easily manipulated and trusting in taking a “cure all” without even thinking of the consequences of such actions.

 

This whole thing reminds me of an old Twilight Zone episode called “To Serve Man” which turned out to be something totally different than what was implied.

 

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Posted 22 June 2021 - 07:03 AM

 

The biggest perpetrators of these false truths are the internet search engine which are

returning "the same slant to the reader" that reinforces their previous readings without 

injecting a differing opinion.

This goes back to my original post.  Your research and result set may Not be my research and result set.

Each person is relying on what they read or what they are told -- hoping -- that the information they are consuming

is correct and accurate.  When you get any entity, such as a religion, dictator, or someone like former President Trump, who has

enough power and/or following to allow them to attempt to change the narrative for their own benefit, then chaos takes over and the

previous sources of information one considered valid, and relied on, may be (are) questioned.  Unless everyone can agree on a common

set of facts, an intelligent debate can Not even begin.

 

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Claire thank you for the condolences.


Edited by dwnowhere1, 22 June 2021 - 07:08 AM.


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Posted 22 June 2021 - 01:00 PM

 

The biggest perpetrators of these false truths are the internet search engine which are

returning "the same slant to the reader" that reinforces their previous readings without 

injecting a differing opinion.

 

Unless everyone can agree on a common set of facts, an intelligent debate can Not even begin.

 

Here is what we're factually dealing with in detail (and what everyone should already know from taking 8th grade biology):
* A virus is not a living organism, but a protein molecule (RNA) covered by a lipid (fat) protective layer, which, when absorbed by the cells of the ocular, nasal or buccal mucosa, changes its genetic code (mutation), where it turns into aggressor and multiplier cells.
* Since the virus is not a living organism, but a protein molecule, it is not killed, but decomposes by itself. The time of disintegration depends on the temperature, humidity and the type of material it is in.
* The virus is very fragile; the only thing that protects it is a thin layer of fat. This is why any soap or detergent is the best remedy because the foam dissolves the fat (that's why you have to rub your hands so much: for 20 seconds or more, to make a lot of foam). By dissolving the fat layer, the protein molecule disperses and decomposes on its own.
* Heat melts the fat...this is why it is so good to use water over 25 degrees Celsius for washing hands, clothes and everything. In addition, hot water makes more foam and this makes it even more useful.
* Alcohol or any mixture with alcohol over 65% dissolves any fat, especially the outer lipid layer of the virus.
* Any mixture with 1 part bleach and 5 parts water dissolves the protein directly as it decomposes from the inside.
* Oxygenated water helps a lot after soap, alcohol and chlorine, because the peroxide dissolves the virus protein, but you have to use it pure which can affect the skin.
* The virus is not a living organism like bacteria, so one cannot kill what is not alive with antibiotics.
* Never shake your used clothing, sheets or other materials. While it is glued on a porous surface, it is very inert and disintegrates only between 3 hours (fabric and porous surface), 4 hours (copper, because it is naturally antiseptic; and wood, because it removes all moisture and does not leave it detach and disintegrate), 24 hours (cardboard), 42 hours (metal) and 72 hours (plastic). But if you shake it or use a cleaning pad, the virus molecules float in the air for up to 3 hours and can be easily inhaled.
* Virus molecules remain very stable in external cold or artificial cold such as air conditioners in homes and cars. They also need moisture to remain stable and, above all, dark (and why we have cold and flu season in the winter months) Therefore, dehumidified, dry, warm and bright environments will degrade it faster.
* UV LIGHT on any object that may contain it breaks down the virus protein. For example, for disinfection and reuse of a mask is perfect. Also be aware that UV light breaks down collagen (which is protein) in the skin, eventually causing wrinkles and skin cancer.
* The virus CANNOT pass through healthy skin.
* Vinegar is NOT useful because it does not break down the protective layer of fat.
* The more limited the space, the more virus concentration there can be (and why the number of COVID cases increased in spite of being quarantined). The more open or naturally ventilated, the less (and why you don't need masks outdoors where "social distancing" is practiced).
* All this information is very useful, but you should wash your hands before and after you touch the mucus, food, locks, buttons, switches, remote control, mobile phone, watches, computers, offices, TV, etc. as well as when using the bath during times of high infection rates.
* You should moisturize your dry hands from such a wash, because the molecules can hide in the micro cracks that result in dry skin. The thicker the cream, the better.
* Also, make sure you have the nails as short as possible so that the virus doesn't hide there.

Edited by fib_1618, 22 June 2021 - 01:02 PM.

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#17 claire

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Posted 22 June 2021 - 02:26 PM

 

 

The biggest perpetrators of these false truths are the internet search engine which are

returning "the same slant to the reader" that reinforces their previous readings without 

injecting a differing opinion.

 

Unless everyone can agree on a common set of facts, an intelligent debate can Not even begin.

 

Here is what we're factually dealing with in detail (and what everyone should already know from taking 8th grade biology):
* A virus is not a living organism, but a protein molecule (RNA) covered by a lipid (fat) protective layer, which, when absorbed by the cells of the ocular, nasal or buccal mucosa, changes its genetic code (mutation), where it turns into aggressor and multiplier cells.
* Since the virus is not a living organism, but a protein molecule, it is not killed, but decomposes by itself. The time of disintegration depends on the temperature, humidity and the type of material it is in.
* The virus is very fragile; the only thing that protects it is a thin layer of fat. This is why any soap or detergent is the best remedy because the foam dissolves the fat (that's why you have to rub your hands so much: for 20 seconds or more, to make a lot of foam). By dissolving the fat layer, the protein molecule disperses and decomposes on its own.
* Heat melts the fat...this is why it is so good to use water over 25 degrees Celsius for washing hands, clothes and everything. In addition, hot water makes more foam and this makes it even more useful.
* Alcohol or any mixture with alcohol over 65% dissolves any fat, especially the outer lipid layer of the virus.
* Any mixture with 1 part bleach and 5 parts water dissolves the protein directly as it decomposes from the inside.
* Oxygenated water helps a lot after soap, alcohol and chlorine, because the peroxide dissolves the virus protein, but you have to use it pure which can affect the skin.
* The virus is not a living organism like bacteria, so one cannot kill what is not alive with antibiotics.
* Never shake your used clothing, sheets or other materials. While it is glued on a porous surface, it is very inert and disintegrates only between 3 hours (fabric and porous surface), 4 hours (copper, because it is naturally antiseptic; and wood, because it removes all moisture and does not leave it detach and disintegrate), 24 hours (cardboard), 42 hours (metal) and 72 hours (plastic). But if you shake it or use a cleaning pad, the virus molecules float in the air for up to 3 hours and can be easily inhaled.
* Virus molecules remain very stable in external cold or artificial cold such as air conditioners in homes and cars. They also need moisture to remain stable and, above all, dark (and why we have cold and flu season in the winter months) Therefore, dehumidified, dry, warm and bright environments will degrade it faster.
* UV LIGHT on any object that may contain it breaks down the virus protein. For example, for disinfection and reuse of a mask is perfect. Also be aware that UV light breaks down collagen (which is protein) in the skin, eventually causing wrinkles and skin cancer.
* The virus CANNOT pass through healthy skin.
* Vinegar is NOT useful because it does not break down the protective layer of fat.
* The more limited the space, the more virus concentration there can be (and why the number of COVID cases increased in spite of being quarantined). The more open or naturally ventilated, the less (and why you don't need masks outdoors where "social distancing" is practiced).
* All this information is very useful, but you should wash your hands before and after you touch the mucus, food, locks, buttons, switches, remote control, mobile phone, watches, computers, offices, TV, etc. as well as when using the bath during times of high infection rates.
* You should moisturize your dry hands from such a wash, because the molecules can hide in the micro cracks that result in dry skin. The thicker the cream, the better.
* Also, make sure you have the nails as short as possible so that the virus doesn't hide there.

 

 

 

While your description of ways to protect the body from being infected with a virus is useful, your dismissal of the virus as a mere protein that is not alive is over-simplified. Viruses contain either DNA or RNA which makes replication a critical feature not present in other proteins.  This article helps to describe how it is much more complicated and can't easily be categorized as either living or non-living.

https://www.newscien...-viruses-alive/



#18 fib_1618

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Posted 22 June 2021 - 04:44 PM

 

 

 

The biggest perpetrators of these false truths are the internet search engine which are

returning "the same slant to the reader" that reinforces their previous readings without 

injecting a differing opinion.

 

Unless everyone can agree on a common set of facts, an intelligent debate can Not even begin.

 

Here is what we're factually dealing with in detail (and what everyone should already know from taking 8th grade biology):
* A virus is not a living organism, but a protein molecule (RNA) covered by a lipid (fat) protective layer, which, when absorbed by the cells of the ocular, nasal or buccal mucosa, changes its genetic code (mutation), where it turns into aggressor and multiplier cells.
* Since the virus is not a living organism, but a protein molecule, it is not killed, but decomposes by itself. The time of disintegration depends on the temperature, humidity and the type of material it is in.
* The virus is very fragile; the only thing that protects it is a thin layer of fat. This is why any soap or detergent is the best remedy because the foam dissolves the fat (that's why you have to rub your hands so much: for 20 seconds or more, to make a lot of foam). By dissolving the fat layer, the protein molecule disperses and decomposes on its own.
* Heat melts the fat...this is why it is so good to use water over 25 degrees Celsius for washing hands, clothes and everything. In addition, hot water makes more foam and this makes it even more useful.
* Alcohol or any mixture with alcohol over 65% dissolves any fat, especially the outer lipid layer of the virus.
* Any mixture with 1 part bleach and 5 parts water dissolves the protein directly as it decomposes from the inside.
* Oxygenated water helps a lot after soap, alcohol and chlorine, because the peroxide dissolves the virus protein, but you have to use it pure which can affect the skin.
* The virus is not a living organism like bacteria, so one cannot kill what is not alive with antibiotics.
* Never shake your used clothing, sheets or other materials. While it is glued on a porous surface, it is very inert and disintegrates only between 3 hours (fabric and porous surface), 4 hours (copper, because it is naturally antiseptic; and wood, because it removes all moisture and does not leave it detach and disintegrate), 24 hours (cardboard), 42 hours (metal) and 72 hours (plastic). But if you shake it or use a cleaning pad, the virus molecules float in the air for up to 3 hours and can be easily inhaled.
* Virus molecules remain very stable in external cold or artificial cold such as air conditioners in homes and cars. They also need moisture to remain stable and, above all, dark (and why we have cold and flu season in the winter months) Therefore, dehumidified, dry, warm and bright environments will degrade it faster.
* UV LIGHT on any object that may contain it breaks down the virus protein. For example, for disinfection and reuse of a mask is perfect. Also be aware that UV light breaks down collagen (which is protein) in the skin, eventually causing wrinkles and skin cancer.
* The virus CANNOT pass through healthy skin.
* Vinegar is NOT useful because it does not break down the protective layer of fat.
* The more limited the space, the more virus concentration there can be (and why the number of COVID cases increased in spite of being quarantined). The more open or naturally ventilated, the less (and why you don't need masks outdoors where "social distancing" is practiced).
* All this information is very useful, but you should wash your hands before and after you touch the mucus, food, locks, buttons, switches, remote control, mobile phone, watches, computers, offices, TV, etc. as well as when using the bath during times of high infection rates.
* You should moisturize your dry hands from such a wash, because the molecules can hide in the micro cracks that result in dry skin. The thicker the cream, the better.
* Also, make sure you have the nails as short as possible so that the virus doesn't hide there.

 

 

 

While your description of ways to protect the body from being infected with a virus is useful, your dismissal of the virus as a mere protein that is not alive is over-simplified. Viruses contain either DNA or RNA which makes replication a critical feature not present in other proteins.  This article helps to describe how it is much more complicated and can't easily be categorized as either living or non-living.

https://www.newscien...-viruses-alive/

 

 

Firstly, thank you for accepting that everything noted in the list IS provable science, and it was simplified purposely so that everyone can embrace this same study.

 

Secondly, as with scientific consensus, scientific theory (as in your article) is NOT science...something that has absolute facts learned by study or experience.

 

Thirdly, the list was provided in response to a statement in finding a "common list of facts" from where a "intelligent debate" might evolve.This is not a message board to have deep discussions on other theories or conjecture that deviate from these same foundational scientific facts, no less, how bureaucrats and the media found it in their best interests to not only lie about the problem, but to also introduce their unsubstantiated facts that add nothing more than fear mongering to control the species by both behavior and physiological modification.

 

Hope you and your family are well...take care.

 

Fib


Edited by fib_1618, 22 June 2021 - 05:18 PM.

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