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#21 blackcloud

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Posted Today, 01:02 PM

Why are folks that have had 3 "vaccine" shots and a booster still getting covid?

 

 

 

 

 

Trump saying he was taking HCQ means nothing, that is not a creditable statement, and Trump was the greatest liar of all the presidents.  Most people would not believe him.  Yet if HCQ had prophylactic value and Trump was taking HCQ, why did Trump get Covid?  If anything, he himself PROVED it did not work.  And when he GOT Covid 19, he did not take HCQ as a treatment, or we never would have heard the end of that story either.  Every indication from that episode is that HCQ did not work, and Trump did not trust it as a treatment.

HCQ was so effective in India that so many people died of Covid19 they were running out of wood to burn the bodies!

https://www.indiatod...5015-2021-04-26

 

Trump had the podium, he could have presented any proof he wanted, yet he did NOT.  Because clearly he could not find any creditable proof to present. 



#22 claire

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Posted Today, 02:01 PM

Why are folks that have had 3 "vaccine" shots and a booster still getting covid?

 

 

 

 

 

Trump saying he was taking HCQ means nothing, that is not a creditable statement, and Trump was the greatest liar of all the presidents.  Most people would not believe him.  Yet if HCQ had prophylactic value and Trump was taking HCQ, why did Trump get Covid?  If anything, he himself PROVED it did not work.  And when he GOT Covid 19, he did not take HCQ as a treatment, or we never would have heard the end of that story either.  Every indication from that episode is that HCQ did not work, and Trump did not trust it as a treatment.

HCQ was so effective in India that so many people died of Covid19 they were running out of wood to burn the bodies!

https://www.indiatod...5015-2021-04-26

 

Trump had the podium, he could have presented any proof he wanted, yet he did NOT.  Because clearly he could not find any creditable proof to present. 

 

Vaccines are never 100% effective. The omicron variant is better than the former variants at evading immunity but but is still very helpful. Here's some general information dealing with the myths about Covid vaccines:

 

https://www.mdlinx.c...ffi5cbj945gcaho

 

Here's a summary of data showing that breakthrough infections are generally very mild:

 

https://www.mdlinx.c...a1ap24bcpq2gol8

 

A strong illustration of the difference between those vaccinated or not is illustrated by the following from the TN Regional Health Department in Sullivan County. Tennessee has lower than average rates of vaccinations - under 55%. 

 

% Hospitalized - 90% unvaccinated.

% in ICU - 95% unvaccinated

% on ventilators - 97% unvaccinated



#23 hhh

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Posted Today, 07:07 PM

The myths link is mostly lies and weasel words like "...we feel very confident this is a safe and effective vaccine" and the summary of breakthrough data doesn't compare to unjabbed so it shows nothing.

 

Regarding Tennessee: https://www.tn.gov/c...catorReport.pdf

 

"Can I recreate this with TDH publicly available data?

No, COVID-19 cases, hospitalizations, and deaths are not available in the public data sets by vaccination status"

 

Nothing suspicious there. 



#24 claire

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Posted Today, 08:51 PM

The myths link is mostly lies and weasel words like "...we feel very confident this is a safe and effective vaccine" and the summary of breakthrough data doesn't compare to unjabbed so it shows nothing.

 

Regarding Tennessee: https://www.tn.gov/c...catorReport.pdf

 

"Can I recreate this with TDH publicly available data?

No, COVID-19 cases, hospitalizations, and deaths are not available in the public data sets by vaccination status"

 

Nothing suspicious there. 

 

 

Re myths: It may interest you to know that scientists never state 100% certainty of their conclusions or findings. They state only their level of confidence. That article didn't comment about vaccinated vs unvaccinated.

 

The link I posted that did offer the data I listed was from the The Sullivan County Regional Dept of Health in Bloomville County Tn.  I'm not going to search for it again.  However, from the link you just offered from the Tn. Dept of health, there is some relevant data they present. Look under Vaccine Breakthrough Cases in Tn and the graphs listed after that which does list similar percentages for unvaccinated who are hospitalized or died. These are the numbers for all of Tn, not any particular region.

 

I'm not sure what you're suspicious about. Are you distrusting my numbers for Sullivan County, Tn. or the numbers presented by Tennessee's Dept of Health? If it's Tennessee, I don't think they have been supporting mandates or mask wearing, and they are a Republican trifecta controlling the office of Governor and both chambers of the state legislature as well as in the Senate. They have been far less than stellar in collecting data.

 

But this is true not only for Tennessee but for the rest of the country as well. For those states with the highest vaccination rates, the numbers hospitalized etc may be similar, but the percentage/100,000 people shows the same disparities.


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#25 hhh

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Posted Today, 10:02 PM

Sorry, but feelings are not part of science reporting, and the myth debunking was nothing of the sort, just a bunch of hand waiving BS. Tennessee shows percentages supposedly comparing jabbed to unjabbed, but then tells you that you can't see the data. Ridiculous. If these jabs are so gawddam safe, why won't the manufacturers accept liability? I'll tell you why, they know that they're killing and maiming more than they're saving and protecting.



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Posted Today, 10:14 PM



#27 claire

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Posted Today, 10:21 PM

Sorry, but feelings are not part of science reporting, and the myth debunking was nothing of the sort, just a bunch of hand waiving BS. Tennessee shows percentages supposedly comparing jabbed to unjabbed, but then tells you that you can't see the data. Ridiculous. If these jabs are so gawddam safe, why won't the manufacturers accept liability? I'll tell you why, they know that they're killing and maiming more than they're saving and protecting.

 

Clearly, you've never done research or read scientific papers. The level of confidence expressed does not refer to their "feelings." It's a statement about probability determined by the research findings -- the level of statistical significance (levels of confidence).

Re the manufacturer's acceptance of liability: I think they asked for this waiver before the vaccines were developed and before any determination of the potential consequences. They had to take the risk of a large investment of their money and resources to focus on this work to the exclusion of other work that could have been profitable. Some pharm. companies decided not to participate. This was part of their demand before entering this venture so they may be protected just in case things go very wrong.

 

I'm on the fence about whether or not they should have received this with good arguments possible for both sides of this issue. They also risked their reputation on an unknown venture since other companies could have produced a better vaccine. The nation was desperate for help at the beginning of the pandemic and agreed to their terms. There need not be anything sinister about it.