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#1 relax

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Posted 29 April 2007 - 11:22 AM

Hi Guys Always enjoy reading your posts but as a european rookie it's sometimes not easy to grasp the whole "game" with concepts such as the Fed printing machine, da boys and how treasury secretary paulson ties in. Can someone take a few minutes and explain what these concepts and how they tie in with each other? And a second question regarding the bradley dates - they are just turning points, so would it be correct to assume that the first big move after a date determines the trend until the next date Thanks!

#2 Rogerdodger

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Posted 29 April 2007 - 11:29 AM

Try this for the Bradley: Bradley Siderograph

I notice on the link the author says:
"Perhaps you want to know now which one is the "correct" siderograph - the answer is easy: none." :lol:


Next year there are only 8 potential turning points, with the last 4 being more significant (bold letters) than the first 4 (window: usually +/- 4 calendar days, sometimes up to +/- 1 week) :

  • 3/10/07
  • 3/20/07
  • 4/20/07
  • 5/4/07
  • 6/14/07
  • 8/26/07
  • 10/17/07 (most important date)
  • 12/22/07



There are lots of important market turns on which Bradley is completely silent.


Edited by Rogerdodger, 29 April 2007 - 11:37 AM.


#3 relax

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Posted 29 April 2007 - 11:44 AM

Thanks - i've seen that site before

bradley of course shouldn't be used for daily trading, but nonetheless it's interesting with these turning points and shifts in sentiment as I would probably prefer to call the dates

;-)


Try this for the Bradley: Bradley Siderograph

I notice on the link the author says:
"Perhaps you want to know now which one is the "correct" siderograph - the answer is easy: none." :lol:


Next year there are only 8 potential turning points, with the last 4 being more significant (bold letters) than the first 4 (window: usually +/- 4 calendar days, sometimes up to +/- 1 week) :

  • 3/10/07
  • 3/20/07
  • 4/20/07
  • 5/4/07
  • 6/14/07
  • 8/26/07
  • 10/17/07 (most important date)
  • 12/22/07



There are lots of important market turns on which Bradley is completely silent.




#4 Sentient Being

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Posted 29 April 2007 - 12:32 PM

Hi Guys
Always enjoy reading your posts but as a european rookie it's sometimes not easy to grasp the whole "game" with concepts such as the Fed printing machine, da boys and how treasury secretary paulson ties in.

Can someone take a few minutes and explain what these concepts and how they tie in with each other?

And a second question regarding the bradley dates - they are just turning points, so would it be correct to assume that the first big move after a date determines the trend until the next date

Thanks!


Anytime a trade doesn't work out you need to blame it on the printing press, da boys, or Pualson. :D
In the end we retain from our studies only that which we practically apply.

~ Johann Wolfgang Von Goethe ~

#5 skott

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Posted 29 April 2007 - 04:47 PM

FEd printing machine is code word for the loose money(read ripoff) policy of the Federal reserve. And It's not really federal. It's a private group of bankers who finance our deficits by buying bonds with little pieces of paper they make that says "this is money" and in exchange for that little piece of paper they get to collect interest on the value of the bond for up to 30 years and eventually will be paid the value of the bond too! They get all that for a what is a fabrication of money. Why doesn't the treasury just create money out of thin air? No this way the ultra rich can really get rich. Greatest sham in the world. Anyway, the inject money into the market with all this bond buying cuz someone gets the money see? I'm sure someone else can explain better. DaBoys can mean a lot of things.... ie. the market, the insiders, the fed's co conspirators or the big money players in the market.

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Posted 29 April 2007 - 05:08 PM

Thanks skott!
your explanation fits in well with what i assumed, but of course always nice with comment on it
seems like the whole economy, at least the way it is presented to the public, it one big illusion

everything can really be made to fit any short-term purpose

what about the long run - can they keep it up



FEd printing machine is code word for the loose money(read ripoff) policy of the Federal reserve. And It's not really federal. It's a private group of bankers who finance our deficits by buying bonds with little pieces of paper they make that says "this is money" and in exchange for that little piece of paper they get to collect interest on the value of the bond for up to 30 years and eventually will be paid the value of the bond too! They get all that for a what is a fabrication of money. Why doesn't the treasury just create money out of thin air? No this way the ultra rich can really get rich. Greatest sham in the world. Anyway, the inject money into the market with all this bond buying cuz someone gets the money see? I'm sure someone else can explain better.

DaBoys can mean a lot of things.... ie. the market, the insiders, the fed's co conspirators or the big money players in the market.



#7 skott

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Posted 29 April 2007 - 06:56 PM

they can probably keep things going for years but that is hard to guess because there are so many variables. there is real risk of things coming completely unglued and I think that is why the pullbacks are so small and getting smaller. Of course you have to look at the us market and divide it by either gold or the euro or some other currency to shed light on what is really happening here. If you do that you will see the us market is not gaining ground it is losing ground. Wall ST. the govt, the fed and the media are all complicit in the scheme either actively or by remaining quiet. From what I read the mideast oil sheiks are keeping us afloat now and that means higher oil prices. Probably we are going to see 2 us dollars. One for us sheeples here and it won't be able to leave the country and will take the hard hit when they devalue and one will be for the foreignors.

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Posted 30 April 2007 - 12:45 PM

Reverse Repos: first in years?

Last Thu and Fri, the Fed has shown the first signs of real draining from the markets too. This is in contrast to what they've been doing, which was pushing the rates higher while also keeping the liquidity high in the markets. I think the Fed is kind of reaching to their tolerance limit of the falling USD. They can not waste away the USD and promise higher rates like a third world country, USD is a reserve currency for God's sake, beside they still have to sustain the growing debt, a correction is due imho...

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Posted 30 April 2007 - 08:59 PM

kisa, can you give me a link to fed actions adding and withrawing?