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#1 Rogerdodger

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Posted 12 August 2007 - 04:59 PM

I don't know about you, but when I beat "rocket scientists" at this game I have to smile. :D
So much for back testing and super duper computer systems.
See Kisa, even hacks like me have a chance. :lol:


Hedge funds braced for more pain
By Anuj Gangahar in New York and Kate Burgess in London
Published: August 12 2007 18:30 | Last updated: August 12 2007 18:30

The much-heralded financial rocket scientists responsible for the explosion in complex mathematical trading strategies are bracing themselves for fresh pain after what one team of analysts called "the perfect storm" last week.
Quantitative strategists, or "quants" as they are known, attempt to profit from pricing inefficiencies identified through mathematical models. These send buy and sell signals on small variations in price between different securities.

One hedge funds manager said the average quantitative fund manager was down about 15 per cent in the first few days of August.
"Nothing seems to be working. Previously uncorrelated factors have recently been falling with the same pace, leaving investors with very few places to hide," said Citigroup analysts in a report to clients last week.

Hedge fund managers who have suffered in the first few days of August and late July include James Simons, long acknowledged as the "king of quants", at Renaissance Technologies and Clifford Asness of AQR Capital Management. Quantitative managers at Goldman Sachs and Highbridge Capital Management have also experienced difficulties.

Statistical arbitrage funds have run into particular problems. Their mathematical models rely on past trading patterns to predict how particular securities will perform in the future if other securities, say, fall in price. But their models are unlikely to take into account current trading conditions where investors, desperate to raise cash, are selling everything they can.
They are also unwinding short positions, which means buying back stock they sold earlier. Thus, companies with poor prospects have seen shares rise and vice versa, undermining the logic of "stat arb" models. Compounding the problem is that many stat arb managers have borrowed heavily to buy shares.

One hedge fund manager estimated that statistical arbitrage funds with more than $100bn (€73bn, £49bn) in assets had on average borrowed four times their actual assets. These borrowings magnify significantly any moves they may make in the market.

It is these more heavily indebted statistical arbitrage funds that have proved most attractive for pension funds seeking supposedly lower risk hedge fund strategies.

It is also these funds that ran into problems at the end of July when volatility began to rock the market.
As volatility rose, they began to cut back their risk. They did this by selling out of their positions to reduce leverage.
But the wave of selling only exacerbated the problem by pushing down prices. As asset values fell, the ratio of debt to assets rose. This forced them to sell yet more assets.
One hedge fund manager said: "Nobody is happy with their credit position and everyone wants to de-risk and de-leverage. And it is global. The market has gone freaky".

Analysts at Lehman Brothers said the problem was that investors' models, its own included, were behaving in the opposite way to tried and tested predictions.

Edited by Rogerdodger, 12 August 2007 - 05:33 PM.


#2 Frac_Man

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Posted 12 August 2007 - 05:28 PM

Yep I guess all that fancy analysis just does not work ......

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I don't know about you, but when I beat "rocket scientists" at this game I have to smile. :D
So much for back testing and super duper computer systems.


Hedge funds braced for more pain
By Anuj Gangahar in New York and Kate Burgess in London
Published: August 12 2007 18:30 | Last updated: August 12 2007 18:30

The much-heralded financial rocket scientists responsible for the explosion in complex mathematical trading strategies are bracing themselves for fresh pain after what one team of analysts called "the perfect storm" last week.
Quantitative strategists, or "quants" as they are known, attempt to profit from pricing inefficiencies identified through mathematical models. These send buy and sell signals on small variations in price between different securities.

One hedge funds manager said the average quantitative fund manager was down about 15 per cent in the first few days of August.
"Nothing seems to be working. Previously uncorrelated factors have recently been falling with the same pace, leaving investors with very few places to hide," said Citigroup analysts in a report to clients last week.

Hedge fund managers who have suffered in the first few days of August and late July include James Simons, long acknowledged as the "king of quants", at Renaissance Technologies and Clifford Asness of AQR Capital Management. Quantitative managers at Goldman Sachs and Highbridge Capital Management have also experienced difficulties.

Statistical arbitrage funds have run into particular problems. Their mathematical models rely on past trading patterns to predict how particular securities will perform in the future if other securities, say, fall in price. But their models are unlikely to take into account current trading conditions where investors, desperate to raise cash, are selling everything they can.
They are also unwinding short positions, which means buying back stock they sold earlier. Thus, companies with poor prospects have seen shares rise and vice versa, undermining the logic of "stat arb" models. Compounding the problem is that many stat arb managers have borrowed heavily to buy shares.

One hedge fund manager estimated that statistical arbitrage funds with more than $100bn (€73bn, £49bn) in assets had on average borrowed four times their actual assets. These borrowings magnify significantly any moves they may make in the market.

It is these more heavily indebted statistical arbitrage funds that have proved most attractive for pension funds seeking supposedly lower risk hedge fund strategies.

It is also these funds that ran into problems at the end of July when volatility began to rock the market.
As volatility rose, they began to cut back their risk. They did this by selling out of their positions to reduce leverage.
But the wave of selling only exacerbated the problem by pushing down prices. As asset values fell, the ratio of debt to assets rose. This forced them to sell yet more assets.
One hedge fund manager said: "Nobody is happy with their credit position and everyone wants to de-risk and de-leverage. And it is global. The market has gone freaky".

Analysts at Lehman Brothers said the problem was that investors' models, its own included, were behaving in the opposite way to tried and tested predictions.



#3 S.I.M.O.N.

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Posted 12 August 2007 - 05:39 PM

No where in the article does it mention what some of these funds were up for the year on july 19th. If the fund was up 400% for the year on july 19th then took a 15% haircut going into aug, i highly doubt you beat
these "rocket scientist" at this game, more like another fool jumping to a conclusion based on missing data and monkey logic.

I don't know about you, but when I beat "rocket scientists" at this game I have to smile. :D
So much for back testing and super duper computer systems.


Hedge funds braced for more pain
By Anuj Gangahar in New York and Kate Burgess in London
Published: August 12 2007 18:30 | Last updated: August 12 2007 18:30

The much-heralded financial rocket scientists responsible for the explosion in complex mathematical trading strategies are bracing themselves for fresh pain after what one team of analysts called "the perfect storm" last week.
Quantitative strategists, or "quants" as they are known, attempt to profit from pricing inefficiencies identified through mathematical models. These send buy and sell signals on small variations in price between different securities.

One hedge funds manager said the average quantitative fund manager was down about 15 per cent in the first few days of August.
"Nothing seems to be working. Previously uncorrelated factors have recently been falling with the same pace, leaving investors with very few places to hide," said Citigroup analysts in a report to clients last week.

Hedge fund managers who have suffered in the first few days of August and late July include James Simons, long acknowledged as the "king of quants", at Renaissance Technologies and Clifford Asness of AQR Capital Management. Quantitative managers at Goldman Sachs and Highbridge Capital Management have also experienced difficulties.

Statistical arbitrage funds have run into particular problems. Their mathematical models rely on past trading patterns to predict how particular securities will perform in the future if other securities, say, fall in price. But their models are unlikely to take into account current trading conditions where investors, desperate to raise cash, are selling everything they can.
They are also unwinding short positions, which means buying back stock they sold earlier. Thus, companies with poor prospects have seen shares rise and vice versa, undermining the logic of "stat arb" models. Compounding the problem is that many stat arb managers have borrowed heavily to buy shares.

One hedge fund manager estimated that statistical arbitrage funds with more than $100bn (€73bn, £49bn) in assets had on average borrowed four times their actual assets. These borrowings magnify significantly any moves they may make in the market.

It is these more heavily indebted statistical arbitrage funds that have proved most attractive for pension funds seeking supposedly lower risk hedge fund strategies.

It is also these funds that ran into problems at the end of July when volatility began to rock the market.
As volatility rose, they began to cut back their risk. They did this by selling out of their positions to reduce leverage.
But the wave of selling only exacerbated the problem by pushing down prices. As asset values fell, the ratio of debt to assets rose. This forced them to sell yet more assets.
One hedge fund manager said: "Nobody is happy with their credit position and everyone wants to de-risk and de-leverage. And it is global. The market has gone freaky".

Analysts at Lehman Brothers said the problem was that investors' models, its own included, were behaving in the opposite way to tried and tested predictions.


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#4 calmcookie

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Posted 12 August 2007 - 06:10 PM

If only they knew about the "C.C." indicator. :lol:

Edited by calmcookie, 12 August 2007 - 06:10 PM.


#5 toni

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Posted 12 August 2007 - 08:23 PM

I think that markets eventually sandbag anyone who thinks he can get greater than market returns without taking greater than market risks. In the end anyone who defies the Effecient Market Hypothesis gets carried off the field of battle feet first. That seems to be what is happening to the hedge funds now. As smart as they are the markets are smarter. The posters over at the Diehard Vanguard Boglehead forum during the last week are chortling with glee about what is happening to the hedge funds. One posted today"anyone who thinks they know more than the market is always wrong and will eventually get hit and hit hard. And should." toni

#6 denleo

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Posted 13 August 2007 - 02:06 AM

This is idiotic!!! Yes, several stat arb funds are having big drawdowns. So what? Has anybody on this board ever mentioned these funds when they were making 20 to 50% year after year after year? And doing it with sharpe ratio that nobody on this board can possibly achieve. For example, Renaissance has never had a losing year since 1989. I don't think they ever had more than two losing months in any given year. They never timed the market either. So a drawdown in their case (after averaging about 30% returns after fees and expenses (which means about 40% gross) for nearly 20 years is OK. I wonder if any of you can manage $10 Billion, being neutral all the time, and produce these kind of returns for 20 years before your first real drawdown. And you guys are making fun of them? Wake up!!! Denleo

#7 dasein

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Posted 13 August 2007 - 03:59 AM

Thx, Dennis, I would have loved to have been in those funds since 98 <G> part of all this I think is the exponential increase in hedge funds the last 3 - 5 years - the space got crowded and like the time with LTCM, everyone was looking at/trading basically the same model - this gravely exacerbated the drawdown and in itself ensured that the correlation with past periods would not hold. We all are aware of this phenomenon in systems. BTW, do you know the guys at Alexandra? alredy 3 years ago, they were complaining that conv arb didnt work any more - too crowded. klh
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#8 denleo

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Posted 13 August 2007 - 08:47 AM

Thx, Dennis, I would have loved to have been in those funds since 98 <G>

part of all this I think is the exponential increase in hedge funds the last 3 - 5 years - the space got crowded and like the time with LTCM, everyone was looking at/trading basically the same model - this gravely exacerbated the drawdown and in itself ensured that the correlation with past periods would not hold. We all are aware of this phenomenon in systems.

BTW, do you know the guys at Alexandra? alredy 3 years ago, they were complaining that conv arb didnt work any more - too crowded.

klh


You are right. The problem is that too many funds were doing similar startegies. I don't know Alexandra. I wish I knew some of those quants. Those are very smart people. And humble, not like Goldman Sacks morons.

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