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#11 Bob-C

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Posted 14 October 2007 - 11:21 PM

http://blogs.wsj.com...-for-citigroup/


October 14, 2007, 11:02 pm
A Bailout for Citigroup?
By Dennis K. Berman
Wall Street Journal Online

When does an "improvement in liquidity" represent a "bailout"?

We'll be studying the details of the new "superconduit" when they're expected to be released on Monday.

But in the meantime it's hard not to look at the current details ­ ably scooped by Journal colleagues Carrick Mollenkamp, Deborah Solomon and Robin Sidel ­ as a big Treasury-blessed assist for Citigroup.

Consider that an estimated 25% of the total $400 billion SIV universe comes from Citigroup-affiliated SIV funds. And that Citigroup-affiliated funds have already sold $20 billion in assets.

At its most simple, the superconduit is a means by which a large collection of banks can keep "reasonable" pricing on some of their affiliated securities. And it is this pricing that is the key to the whole operation.

It's obvious they won't be priced at market rates because there's not much of a market to begin with (and why the superconduit exists in the first place).

But where exactly do they get priced? To whose benefit? And by which standard?

Even without specifics, it's clear that Citigroup has the most to gain from this operation. And it's clearly bad if the balance sheet of the country's largest bank were frozen for months on end as it poured money into contractual unwindings of SIV positions.

Liquidity syndicates were what helped save the day during the Panic of 1907. Given the partial return of investors to the LBO credit markets, there is plenty of reason to hope that investors will once again be buying SIV-related paper in the months ahead.

But until that time, four main points still remain oustanding:

* How much pricing confidence can be created in a market when banks are in essence buying paper from themselves?

* Might the mere existence of the superconduit create more doubts about the financial sector, stoking even more panic than the amount it was meant to quell?

* How will the banks structure their public relations to answer the simple question: Are they throwing good money after bad?

* What responsibility will be taken by the bank CEOs who blessed the rush into these structures in the first place? In other words, how will Citigroup CEO Chuck Prince explain this on Monday morning?

Hi snorkels4, thanks for posting the informative article. :)

Cheers, :)

Bob-C
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#12 cafeflorida

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Posted 15 October 2007 - 06:17 PM

Posted On: Monday, October 15, 2007, 11:58:00 AM EST

Operation White Noise Steps Into The Limelight


Author: Jim Sinclair


Dear CIGAs,

I told you so.

"Operation White Noise," the attempt to hide
the breakdown in credit structured products
(over the counter credit derivative meltdown)
is a make believe dyke starting to leak badly.

If the credit problem was being repaired then
why set up a fund at all? This is a $20 trillion
dollar problem with a total over the counter
problem size of $450 trillion worldwide.
You can be sure that all holders of all kinds
of structured products are looking very carefully
at the cartoon called mark to model because there
is no market to mark to.

I do not find benefit in going into large dissertations
on the simple conclusion I have been trying to drive
home.

1. This is it.
2. The model is the Weimar Republic.
3. The catalyst of the cataclysm is a failure in over the counter derivatives.
4. The price of gold is a product of the trend in the US dollar.
5. The price of the dollar is controlled by my Formula. Click here to review the Formula.
6. The US dollar is going to .7200, .6200 and then on its way to .5600 USDX.
7. Gold is therefore headed right now to $782, a Cherub on its way to $848 - $852 before moving onward
to four figures and $1650.
8. Every Angel will be touched and exceeded.


http://www.jsmineset.com/

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If Sinclair's view doesn't agree with your own, it's okay with me.
Just don't get exercised over it in front of me, 'cause I don't have
the time.

Instead, mouse on over to Sinclair's site and take it up with the
man if you think you can go 15 rounds with him.

Edited by cafeflorida, 15 October 2007 - 06:19 PM.


#13 Bob-C

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Posted 15 October 2007 - 09:10 PM

Posted On: Monday, October 15, 2007, 11:58:00 AM EST

Operation White Noise Steps Into The Limelight


Author: Jim Sinclair


Dear CIGAs,

I told you so.

"Operation White Noise," the attempt to hide
the breakdown in credit structured products
(over the counter credit derivative meltdown)
is a make believe dyke starting to leak badly.

If the credit problem was being repaired then
why set up a fund at all? This is a $20 trillion
dollar problem with a total over the counter
problem size of $450 trillion worldwide.
You can be sure that all holders of all kinds
of structured products are looking very carefully
at the cartoon called mark to model because there
is no market to mark to.

I do not find benefit in going into large dissertations
on the simple conclusion I have been trying to drive
home.

1. This is it.
2. The model is the Weimar Republic.
3. The catalyst of the cataclysm is a failure in over the counter derivatives.
4. The price of gold is a product of the trend in the US dollar.
5. The price of the dollar is controlled by my Formula. Click here to review the Formula.
6. The US dollar is going to .7200, .6200 and then on its way to .5600 USDX.
7. Gold is therefore headed right now to $782, a Cherub on its way to $848 - $852 before moving onward
to four figures and $1650.
8. Every Angel will be touched and exceeded.


http://www.jsmineset.com/

.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-

If Sinclair's view doesn't agree with your own, it's okay with me.
Just don't get exercised over it in front of me, 'cause I don't have
the time.

Instead, mouse on over to Sinclair's site and take it up with the
man if you think you can go 15 rounds with him.



Hi cafeflorida, good to hear from you. :) Thanks very much for posting the very informative highly-relevant article entitled, "Operation White Noise Steps Into The Limelight" by Jim Sinclair.

Keep up your good work! :)

Best, :)

Bob

Edited by Bob-C, 15 October 2007 - 09:13 PM.

Disclaimer: None of my posts are meant to be taken as investment advice or trading advice. Do your own due diligence and consult your financial advisor before making any trades or investments.